How much do we expect the lake to rise this spring/summer

Doom largely continues...

The good news, there was actually some snow and thus an actual increase in the SWE!

The bad news, the increase only puts the SWE at 4.3. That is only half of the lowest ever measured before this year (8.6) on this date. And it is just under 30% of the median for this date (14.7). In other words, really, really bad even with the recent snow.

So overall, the snowpack is still horrible, and while there is a bit of snow in the forecast, things are still trending to the warm side for the first half of April which is not a good thing.

Meanwhile, the CBRFC came up with its April 1st "official" forecast that will be the basis for the USBR 24 Month Study released two weeks from now. It is also quite bad, the question now being is it even bad enough to match reality:

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The "official" forecast now has a 70% exceedance of just 950 kaf. In other words, there is a 30% chance the run off will be the lowest ever. And a 10% chance it is only 500 kaf!

Up thread there has been discussion about whether the models used for this forecast are potentially underestimating a year like this which has no analog in history. It seems like there should be well over a 50% chance this is the lowest run off ever, it is hard to imagine how we avoid that in fact given the snowpack is half the lowest ever seen. Though, at this point, it almost doesn't matter if it is even lower than these numbers - they are so small that changing them upward or downward really amounts to "small change" in the end. The numbers are so low that altering them by 50% more or 50% less still results in about the same amount of catastrophe.

So at this point I'd say any future changes to SWE or the forecasts are almost irrelevant to the lake level. Bad is written in stone at this point. The big variable is what does USBR do with releases, which we will all await with baited breath...
 
Should we bait our breath with plastics or crankbaits?

ha ha! I’m told our breath is already full of microplastics these days…

I think even with the gloomy forecast we have to remember the lake is still potentially amazing at almost any elevation. The rapid drop this year is just going to make logistics potentially annoying and has unfortunately already interfered badly with some folk’s plans (e.g. the terminated buoy leases).

But in some sense, a horrible crisis right when the upper and lower basin states are busy playing chicken might prove to be a blessing in disguise for the long term. Silver lining and all that, but the storm this year will unfortunately probably suck for a number of people who hoped for particular kinds of access this summer.
 
NPS indicated previously that they could chase it down to somewhere around 3490, but it may be able to go down even further. It may have just been that they defaulted to that value because of other dam operational scenarios.
The past director said 3450 was the bottom during a zoom style session I sat in on. That’s seems pretty low if you want to then find your way through wahweap canyon (whatever is left of Wahweap Bay) to the channel. That’s why I think the extended ramp at Antelope makes a lot of sense because it’s on the channel and there is already a paved road to it. I was told their new bottom for that extension was 3445. 🤞I hope that is accurate, it sounds true. Why else would they spend 70 million dollars digging if it ends up high and dry bu the time they are done?
 
I just got back from a dirt moto tour around southern Utah. Normally parts of the Aquarius Plateau (north of Escalante and Boulder, south of Loa) are still snowed in into summer. I finally did spot a couple snow banks on shaded north sides right up against the peaks. Chatted with a nice couple that spends a week in Escalante UT every spring. We were sitting around a little lake that they had never been to in 10 years, because the road has always been closed due to snow. What should have been small rivers were barely creeks, and all the creeks and cow tanks were dry. It is going to be a really bad summer for wildlife, cows, and fire.
 
Northern water set the Quota for the Big Thompson Project today.


Given the lowest snowpack in over 40 years I figured we would see one of the lowest Quota’s in 40 years. Instead we get a Quota that is one of the highest? Higher than last year. I am confused.

Since my town is almost all CBT water I figured water restrictions are coming. Now, I guess I can fire up the sprinkler system and water as much as I want.

Who doesn’t love a plan of don’t worry about it, it will probably snow next year.
 
Northern water set the Quota for the Big Thompson Project today.


Given the lowest snowpack in over 40 years I figured we would see one of the lowest Quota’s in 40 years. Instead we get a Quota that is one of the highest? Higher than last year. I am confused.

Since my town is almost all CBT water I figured water restrictions are coming. Now, I guess I can fire up the sprinkler system and water as much as I want.

Who doesn’t love a plan of don’t worry about it, it will probably snow next year.
Former farmer here: Quotas can be higher in drought years and lower in wet ones. Decision can be made to balance Ma Nature's inclination to distribute the "natural" stuff... Farmers make irrigation plans based on water rights and the allocations being made. Origins of CBT were to serve ag purposes. That has, of course, changed over time and population growth along the front range. Per CSU, CBT provides supplemental water to 640,000 acres of irrigated farmland. In short, CBT releases are counter-cyclical. It's not permission to open the spigots, but rather to accommodate higher demands to keep ag and people's landscaping alive.

 
Looks like the lake will bottom out somewhere near 3527 before it starts coming up, assuming we don't get a massive snowy March. So, how high will it get in June/ July before it starts dropping again?
Well if were talking about lake Powell it's already below 3527 and I expect it to drop to 3516 by summer. Snowpack is only 59% currently so another drop of 10 ft will set a new record low I think .Plus they are no where near the amount they were suppose to release by this time. Climate change is real and the amount of methane were releasing from flaring and venting natural gas is staggering.
 
Former farmer here: Quotas can be higher in drought years and lower in wet ones. Decision can be made to balance Ma Nature's inclination to distribute the "natural" stuff... Farmers make irrigation plans based on water rights and the allocations being made. Origins of CBT were to serve ag purposes. That has, of course, changed over time and population growth along the front range. Per CSU, CBT provides supplemental water to 640,000 acres of irrigated farmland. In short, CBT releases are counter-cyclical. It's not permission to open the spigots, but rather to accommodate higher demands to keep ag and people's landscaping alive.

Thanks for the background. I did not fully understand the counter cyclical nature of the CBT project. That being said I do think that Northern Water is taking a fair amount of risk given the current snowpack. We are really going to need at least a decent winter next year or all the CBT users are going to be in a world of hurt as we are going to burn a good amount of our reserve this year. I also hope the the towns that make use of CBT water don't view the relatively high quota as a reason to not get aggressive on conservation.

I had to drive up to Greeley yesterday for a funeral. They have turned on the irrigation ditches and the lack of water in the rivers was somewhat shocking. I could not see much of any water in the St Vrain at country road 19.5. The Platte at 85 in Evans was a trickle. Beyond mountain snow, we really need some good rain this spring.
 
Thanks for the background. I did not fully understand the counter cyclical nature of the CBT project. That being said I do think that Northern Water is taking a fair amount of risk given the current snowpack. We are really going to need at least a decent winter next year or all the CBT users are going to be in a world of hurt as we are going to burn a good amount of our reserve this year. I also hope the the towns that make use of CBT water don't view the relatively high quota as a reason to not get aggressive on conservation.

I had to drive up to Greeley yesterday for a funeral. They have turned on the irrigation ditches and the lack of water in the rivers was somewhat shocking. I could not see much of any water in the St Vrain at country road 19.5. The Platte at 85 in Evans was a trickle. Beyond mountain snow, we really need some good rain this spring.
It's a somewhat complicated system; you have many owners of water shares: municipalities (some who have over time purchased shares directly from farmers or purchased the farms for the water shares and dried them up), the farmers themselves, as well as private owners not associated w/ either ag or the municipalities. A number of farmers (who sold their shares) will rent water back through a ditch company obtained from municipalities if the municipalities feel that they have an overage they're willing to release. Used to be the municipalities would just "gift" (?) their overages back to the ditch companies who would then price that water to farmers depending on the available supply and demand. With the increase in fracking the oil companies came into the mix and ditch companies found themselves bidding for the water against the oil companies. And, the municipalities themselves can enact "drought pricing" fees above a certain base usage level (I think Denver has already done so, and Ft. Collins, as well). So there are a few constraints operating on the that 80% quota, though probably not as many "cost" restraints as we'll see in the future. That's a quick and dirty overview and any errors therein are all mine; it's a system of many moving parts and I haven't included the "swaps" that can take place among the array of water right holders that enable availability without having to actually - physically - move the water from one geographic location to another.
 
Well if were talking about lake Powell it's already below 3527 and I expect it to drop to 3516 by summer. Snowpack is only 59% currently so another drop of 10 ft will set a new record low I think .Plus they are no where near the amount they were suppose to release by this time. Climate change is real and the amount of methane were releasing from flaring and venting natural gas is staggering.
Unfortunately I don't believe the snowpack is anywhere near 59% of average on any day this weekend. That was a number from Mid March. No updates and no reasons why since. Think it's as simple as , if the data isn't to your liking just don't publish it. Sad time for science and honest data release in America.
 
Unfortunately I don't believe the snowpack is anywhere near 59% of average on any day this weekend. That was a number from Mid March. No updates and no reasons why since. Think it's as simple as , if the data isn't to your liking just don't publish it. Sad time for science and honest data release in America.

Sad time for basic reading comprehension and reposting the same silliness over and over again.

You already made this baseless claim here:


And people already helped you by pointing you to where the current data is posted:


There is only so much we can do to try to correct your obstinate ignorance, lead a horse to water and all that, but at least have the common decency to stop wasting forum bandwidth.

The data is there, if you are too clueless to look at it that is YOUR problem and not some conspiracy theory.
 
Unfortunately I don't believe the snowpack is anywhere near 59% of average on any day this weekend. That was a number from Mid March. No updates and no reasons why since. Think it's as simple as , if the data isn't to your liking just don't publish it. Sad time for science and honest data release in America.
Last report I heard for Colorado was 24%.
 
Sad time for basic reading comprehension and reposting the same silliness over and over again.

You already made this baseless claim here:


And people already helped you by pointing you to where the current data is posted:


There is only so much we can do to try to correct your obstinate ignorance, lead a horse to water and all that, but at least have the common decency to stop wasting forum bandwidth.

The data is there, if you are too clueless to look at it that is YOUR problem and not some conspiracy theory.
I think the moderators should have a protocol for blocking people like this. I see this on other platforms like YouTube where activists will basically create a propaganda post to spin their worldview or their paid position to do this. I think that this website needs a system to deal with those situations. The comment disinformation on YouTube is wild when it comes to people posting 2026 realities about Lake Powell.
 
I think the moderators should have a protocol for blocking people like this.

We do.

I think that this website needs a system to deal with those situations.

We have one.

We don't usually act on someone's point of view, but we are watching. There are some topics that pull us off the core mission of the site. They receive more attention from moderators.
 
1) Bart, I wouldn't want your job...(but then you are mucho younger than moi... :cool: )
2) AND...... you do a superb job.....and us wordlings are beyond grateful to you....YOU, IMHO, keep this forum classy, educational & professional.....and a friend said you have a high tolerance for bad puns.........:rolleyes:(y)
3) Regarding the snowpack .....hasn't been updated in a month, as of today.......never seen that before....so could..... be a clue.....:rolleyes:

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4) regarding Evan's post RE: activists....you're right...but that's kinda life in cyber (old term) 2026. Who's bait clicking us..... for what purpose? Is it an AI bot?

5) Heck, I miss Stan Jones......and 2 stroke...Rainbow Bridge Marina simplicity.....(my Dad's laughing...somewhere....😜)
 
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