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Actually it is very much possible. I made it to the lake and the only person I came close to was the guy at the top of the ramp informing and gathering info about the mussels program. I told him to stay back and refused to take papers from him. VERY, VERY POSSIBLE. You are doing much worse going to the grocery store every week buddy. Honestly, I'm over getting lectured from the internet warriors out there. This is a fishing forum and I see you joined yesterday to lecture people. If you dont have something to contribute to the site please leave.
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Wow mtnpull, how do you really feel? Clearly you've had enough. Bravo. The new guy just doesn't get it yet but he'll come around to the whole safe fishing thing sooner or later. Or not.
 
mtnpull said:
Actually it is very much possible. I made it to the lake and the only person I came close to was the guy at the top of the ramp informing and gathering info about the mussels program. I told him to stay back and refused to take papers from him. VERY, VERY POSSIBLE. You are doing much worse going to the grocery store every week buddy. Honestly, I'm over getting lectured from the internet warriors out there. This is a fishing forum and I see you joined yesterday to lecture people. If you dont have something to contribute to the site please leave.
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Ok you win. I’m calling you if I ever want to do another rant. :)

TR
 
I fully understand how everyone feels. I also have a son and daughter that are first responders that like myself are dealing with people that decided to risk their families getting the virus by going out. For at least 100,000 people this country leaving home or being in contact with someone who did will result in their death. There are not enough tests, protective equipment or people to give them to insure anyone is safe from someone that hours ago may have touched a surface, coughed in the area or spit on the dock. Even a slight accident like stepping on a mussel shell requiring a visit to the emergency room will in many cases cause someone's death during this next 30 days of national emergency as resources and first responders are so poorly equipped and spread so thin. Most of Lake Powell recreational activities occur in remote locations with very limited and already over stressed medical resources. The clinic at Bullfrog is still only open on Fridays. The National Guard has had to be called into the surrounding area to help on the reservation. Recreational areas have already been shown in early stats to be of higher risk than rural areas due to people attempting to get out of their homes. You can't help at the testing stations because we don't have enough masks or Personal Protection Equipment but you can help by staying safe at home which is what the president has asked of all of this country. I hope everyone understands the situation and how I feel as I see family put on their week old mask and head out each day to try and help people that did not fare as well as you trying to just get out of the house.
 
Like most issues, it is not black and white. I desperately want to go down to the lake, but go back and forth on whether it is the ethical thing to do. I encourage people to get outside and recreate in our great open, public lands (following the social distancing guidelines), and I will continue to do so as long as it is legal. Not. Going. To. Stay. Home. Even shelter in place allows getting outside for exercise, so I wish people would stop with the lecturing.

That being said, Lake Powell is a long trip for most of us, not exactly recreating in our own back yard. The fact that it is very doable to make the trip without interacting with anyone makes me want to go. But, realistically, this is only feasible because most people are not doing it. If everyone decided they were willing to make the trip than it would become crowded, and social distancing would not be possible, and the gates would be locked.

So I sit on the fence, tie lots of flies, ski and ice fish and keep the trip to LP in my thoughts......
 
Garfield county is highly dependent on tourism. They have no grudge with Trump. As long as visitors practice social distancing I doubt it will be them complaining. There is risk in all things. Confining people to their houses for months at a time with no jobs has risks. Killing the tourism economy has risks. Life is not without risk. Garfield county has apparently weighed the economic vs the health and made their choice. And I respect it.
 
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I fully understand how everyone feels. I also have a son and daughter that are first responders that like myself are dealing with people that decided to risk their families getting the virus by going out. For at least 100,000 people this country leaving home or being in contact with someone who did will result in their death. There are not enough tests, protective equipment or people to give them to insure anyone is safe from someone that hours ago may have touched a surface, coughed in the area or spit on the dock. Even a slight accident like stepping on a mussel shell requiring a visit to the emergency room will in many cases cause someone's death during this next 30 days of national emergency as resources and first responders are so poorly equipped and spread so thin. Most of Lake Powell recreational activities occur in remote locations with very limited and already over stressed medical resources. The clinic at Bullfrog is still only open on Fridays. The National Guard has had to be called into the surrounding area to help on the reservation. Recreational areas have already been shown in early stats to be of higher risk than rural areas due to people attempting to get out of their homes. You can't help at the testing stations because we don't have enough masks or Personal Protection Equipment but you can help by staying safe at home which is what the president has asked of all of this country. I hope everyone understands the situation and how I feel as I see family put on their week old mask and head out each day to try and help people that did not fare as well as you trying to just get out of the house.
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You make it sound like the death of me or my family is your concern. Every single day people are taking a risk by going outside. This virus isn't a death sentence for the greater majority. Please quit fear-mongering and projecting onto everyone else that comes here to discuss Lake Powell. There are forums and social media elsewhere, where you can "educate" people. This isn't it though.
 
I'm on the lake on my boat because I have two first responders who live in my household who "suggested" I leave home to avoid being in contact with them every day between their hospital shifts. What works for one person/family to protect themselves and others may not work for everyone else. There is more than one way to abide by currently issued guidelines in a smart and safe manner protecting myself and others. Our ability to make these individual decisions is what makes America different from other countries.
 
For more than 100,000 people it will be a death sentence over the next few weeks. For those people living in rural areas where the medical resources are already overwhelmed and recreational areas are attracting risk taking people traveling from outside the county after the president has outlined the problem and asked people to stay home there are still first responders trying to deal with people who didn't stay home and either caused people to get sick or got sick themselves. You may very well be part of the problem if you come to Lake Powell and yes I every day worry about you and your family as I am one of the people who has to try to deal with this problem here at Lake Powell.
 
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Concerned Soldier said:
I fully understand how everyone feels. I also have a son and daughter that are first responders that like myself are dealing with people that decided to risk their families getting the virus by going out. For at least 100,000 people this country leaving home or being in contact with someone who did will result in their death. There are not enough tests, protective equipment or people to give them to insure anyone is safe from someone that hours ago may have touched a surface, coughed in the area or spit on the dock. Even a slight accident like stepping on a mussel shell requiring a visit to the emergency room will in many cases cause someone's death during this next 30 days of national emergency as resources and first responders are so poorly equipped and spread so thin. Most of Lake Powell recreational activities occur in remote locations with very limited and already over stressed medical resources. The clinic at Bullfrog is still only open on Fridays. The National Guard has had to be called into the surrounding area to help on the reservation. Recreational areas have already been shown in early stats to be of higher risk than rural areas due to people attempting to get out of their homes. You can't help at the testing stations because we don't have enough masks or Personal Protection Equipment but you can help by staying safe at home which is what the president has asked of all of this country. I hope everyone understands the situation and how I feel as I see family put on their week old mask and head out each day to try and help people that did not fare as well as you trying to just get out of the house.
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You keep saying the National Guard has been called in to the surrounding areas. Where are you getting this information? Are you in the military?
 
mtnpull said:
Actually it is very much possible. I made it to the lake and the only person I came close to was the guy at the top of the ramp informing and gathering info about the mussels program. I told him to stay back and refused to take papers from him. VERY, VERY POSSIBLE. You are doing much worse going to the grocery store every week buddy. Honestly, I'm over getting lectured from the internet warriors out there. This is a fishing forum and I see you joined yesterday to lecture people. If you dont have something to contribute to the site please leave.
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I couldn't agree more. This site is supposed to help us escape. Keep it to fishing!
 
So I'm new to commenting on here but I'm a little concerned about concerned shoulder seems you just joined to take a somewhat vigilante approach to people looking for information about using LP since lake is over 100 miles long you can't possibly have personal interest into every corner and every town that someone may pass through to get there makes me wonder what your real motive is
 
The fact of life is there are trade offs in everything.

We could reduce deaths from traffic accidents to almost none if we set a national speed limit of 30 MPH and prohibited left turns. Do you want to sign on for that? Because I don't.

And it is INSANE to think that camping at Lake Powell (or really just about anywhere) puts people at a significantly higher risk. You know where you are likely to catch the virus? At the grocery store. Or liquor store. Or at the pot shop (at least in Colorado). And what about apartment complexes? All those are open, and an infinitely higher risk than remote camping.

It may not be a popular opinion, but at some point in time we are gong to have to balance the trade off of what this virus is doing to our health care system to the chaos it will cause to the economy. 100,000 people may die from the virus (actually I think the president said 240,000) which is tragic. But what is worse is if the world ends up in a Great Depression. That will effect billions of people.

Further, I HATE what the government is doing right now. As a Classic Liberal, I don't like that they can tell businesses to shut down. Or people that they can't use THEIR land. Just today I saw a tweet from the Colorado Department of Health to turn in people "hoarding" PPE. I don't like hoarders anymore than anyone, and while hoarding in this regard may be immoral, it is NOT illegal.

Very slippery slope we are approaching.

How is that for a rant?
 
Fishing is a great escape! If you are lucky enough to be able to avoid people and do it safely without traveling to remote areas where medical resources are not overwhelmed. National Guard has been on the Arizona news flying into the reservation. Currently there are several employees in self isolation at Lake Powell that were on the reservation during the time period which has caused the response. Yes I live on and at Lake Powell and have for years and because I knew there would be personal attacks by people with different opinions as I have seen over the years not commented on this site but felt in this national emergency it my responsibility to try to protect and help as many as possible by keeping them informed.
 
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Nothing like a little stress to bring out the worst in people. For all of you getting a little butt hurt with concerned solider, give him some room. We don’t know his back ground. He could be dealing with post traumatic stress. I really wish Wayne would start uploading some spooning videos, so those of us that are stuck could at least live vicariously through his adventures.
 
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