Bill Sampson
Keeper of San Juan Secrets
Thanks.Oak Bay has one, then the next one After Dangle is at the mouth of Rock Creek.
Look here: Floating Restrooms, Dumps and Pumpouts
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Overloaded houseboat burying human waste in the sand
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Chris Troncoso
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Looks like the NPS is on top of it and has closed the bay where they were dunping.........................
News Release Date: June 30, 2017
Contact: Mary Plumb, 928-608-6202
On June 28 a small area on land was closed in Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay at Lake Powell. It was deemed unsafe for recreational activities due to potential exposure to human feces. Witnesses reported that a houseboat with more than 20 occupants did not comply with laws and regulations about the proper disposal of human waste. Cleanup of the area will be a significant challenge and the health hazard may persist for weeks or months. The incident is under investigation.
All visitors to Lake Powell are advised that every party camping within one-quarter mile of the lakeshore must have a portable toilet system that does not use plastic bags to contain the waste. (When the device is dumped at a portable toilet dump system, the plastic bag can clog the system.)
This has been a requirement at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area for many years. The park has found that most visitors find traveling to and from the floating restrooms, especially after dark, inconvenient and dangerous. The lake level at Lake Powell fluctuates 20-50 feet a year. A beach that was out of the water and good for camping may be under water later. Any waste that was buried will be released by wave action and mingle with the water, making it potentially unsafe.
With eight floating restrooms/dump stations, and six areas within Lake Powell's marinas, you are never too far from a place to empty your portable toilet. Additionally, the Stateline Boat Pumpout renovation has been completed and will be open to the public Friday, June 30, 2017 at 12 noon. The boat pumpout has been equipped with (4) Peristaltic pumps to pump out boats. These are the same types of pumps that are now in use at Wahweap, Bullfrog, Halls Crossing, and Dangling Rope.
The only exception is if visitors are using one of the new polymer-based waste bag containment systems. These are marketed under a variety of names, including ReStop and WagBag. The chemicals used in these systems immobilize liquids and begins breaking down the waste with enzymes. The plastic bag can then be properly disposed of at any dumpster.
According to Superintendent William Shott, “Lake Powell is one of the cleanest reservoirs in the United States. We need everyone's efforts to help us keep it that way.”
Under the Powell Watch Program, if you see something, say something. Text reports of violations or concerns to 928-614-0820. (Do not call; text only. This is not an emergency number. In an emergency, call 911 or use Marine Band 16 to hail National Park Servic
News Release Date: June 30, 2017
Contact: Mary Plumb, 928-608-6202
On June 28 a small area on land was closed in Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay at Lake Powell. It was deemed unsafe for recreational activities due to potential exposure to human feces. Witnesses reported that a houseboat with more than 20 occupants did not comply with laws and regulations about the proper disposal of human waste. Cleanup of the area will be a significant challenge and the health hazard may persist for weeks or months. The incident is under investigation.
All visitors to Lake Powell are advised that every party camping within one-quarter mile of the lakeshore must have a portable toilet system that does not use plastic bags to contain the waste. (When the device is dumped at a portable toilet dump system, the plastic bag can clog the system.)
This has been a requirement at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area for many years. The park has found that most visitors find traveling to and from the floating restrooms, especially after dark, inconvenient and dangerous. The lake level at Lake Powell fluctuates 20-50 feet a year. A beach that was out of the water and good for camping may be under water later. Any waste that was buried will be released by wave action and mingle with the water, making it potentially unsafe.
With eight floating restrooms/dump stations, and six areas within Lake Powell's marinas, you are never too far from a place to empty your portable toilet. Additionally, the Stateline Boat Pumpout renovation has been completed and will be open to the public Friday, June 30, 2017 at 12 noon. The boat pumpout has been equipped with (4) Peristaltic pumps to pump out boats. These are the same types of pumps that are now in use at Wahweap, Bullfrog, Halls Crossing, and Dangling Rope.
The only exception is if visitors are using one of the new polymer-based waste bag containment systems. These are marketed under a variety of names, including ReStop and WagBag. The chemicals used in these systems immobilize liquids and begins breaking down the waste with enzymes. The plastic bag can then be properly disposed of at any dumpster.
According to Superintendent William Shott, “Lake Powell is one of the cleanest reservoirs in the United States. We need everyone's efforts to help us keep it that way.”
Under the Powell Watch Program, if you see something, say something. Text reports of violations or concerns to 928-614-0820. (Do not call; text only. This is not an emergency number. In an emergency, call 911 or use Marine Band 16 to hail National Park Servic
Gem Morris
Keeper of San Juan Secrets
I talked to the Public Affairs officer of the GCNRA. At the time she did not know about this incident but she had just learned about Wayne's Words the week before. I sent her the link from here.
She is new in her position and was not sure of the protocol but she promised me she would follow up and let me know what happened. I have heard nothing yet.
My efforts to contact the offending group through Antelope Point and Sunrise Peaks has yielded nothing.
Sunrise Peaks (who has no direct connection to Desert Oasis) knew about the incident and had already talked to the management group of Desert Oasis but he would not give me that phone number.
She is new in her position and was not sure of the protocol but she promised me she would follow up and let me know what happened. I have heard nothing yet.
My efforts to contact the offending group through Antelope Point and Sunrise Peaks has yielded nothing.
Sunrise Peaks (who has no direct connection to Desert Oasis) knew about the incident and had already talked to the management group of Desert Oasis but he would not give me that phone number.
I'm glad the NPS has initiated a proper clean up of the contaminated beach, but I sure hope the perpetrators are held accountable for their actions and are footing the bill for the clean-up at a minimum. I would have thought that the NPS press release would have mentioned more about whether the persons who deposited the feces were being pursued legally or not. The absence of this information concerns me - if the perps are not paying for the clean-up, it's really just taxpayers footing the bill - and it won't be a small bill from what I observed (with confirmation in the press release).
Waterbaby
Escalante-Class Member
Yet Sunrise Peaks advertised the shares available for this boat which, BTW has two bathrooms... and Glen Canyon NRA has a 12-person on board rule for houseboats when underway - were all 20 on the boat when it left shore or did they take the over-flow away on separate smaller boats>
http://www.sunrisepeak.com/boatPages/viewboat.php?boatid=21
Waterbaby
Escalante-Class Member
Just found this ad on Facebook from April - offering a share on the Desert Oasis for August of this year....
Lake Powell Houseboats - Sunrise Peak
April 19 ·
Purchase a prime August share on the houseboat, Desert Oasis for $8,995 (includes this year's maintenance fee) and $5,000 of the proceeds will be donated to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation (JDRF).
http://www.sunrisepeak.com/lake-powell/powell-challenge/
Lake Powell Houseboats - Sunrise Peak
April 19 ·
Purchase a prime August share on the houseboat, Desert Oasis for $8,995 (includes this year's maintenance fee) and $5,000 of the proceeds will be donated to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation (JDRF).
http://www.sunrisepeak.com/lake-powell/powell-challenge/
Gem Morris
Keeper of San Juan Secrets
I've sent a follow up email to the Public Affairs officer asking her for more details. Was the group contacted? Are they paying for the cleanup?
Lost Anchor
Active Member
They will have to go to court first and be found guilty of the crime before they can make them pay for the clean up. Then the NPS can ask for restitution for the clean up, the judge will have to approve it.
VanillaIceCream
Well-Known Member
Hey let's not go on a witch hunt about this.
Your feeding the trolls and drainers.
I'm confident the NPS will take care of it.
Your feeding the trolls and drainers.
I'm confident the NPS will take care of it.
Goblin
Well-Known Member
About 10-12 years ago I researched the numbers of people onboard issue. Unless the rules have changed since then, here is what I found. If the below has changed in the last few years please let us all know.
The '12 person restriction underway' applies only to a rental houseboat at Lake Powell and not privately owned vessels.
It is definitely a rule and I believe this is mostly driven by the fact that they provide only 12 life vests (PFD's)
A private vessel at or less than 26' is limited by the manufacturer's capacity rating which is stated on a placard and attached on the vessel near the helm. Boats over 26' in length are not required to have a capacity rating (yacht class) and manufacturers instead do a stability study/rating which is advisory in nature. Good luck trying to find that for a custom houseboat on Lake Powell.
At this point (>26 feet), on a private vessel you are restricted only by the PFD's onboard and the captain's stability determination/judgement/common sense. Be that what it may be.
On vessels with a placard limit you cannot exceed either the weight or the persons limit.
So assuming the placard above, you cannot have 20 kids because they are small and total under 900 lbs or even 1 person if they are over the 900 lbs.
Whoa, who am I to judge
FWIW
Goblin
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Goblin
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Looks like the media has joined the party. This from LakePowellLife.com:
Lake Powell Area CLOSED in Kane Creek Canyon (Human Waste)
June 30
14:202017
by KXAZ News
Lake Powell Area Closed in Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay
Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, UT – On June 28 a small area on land was closed in Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay at Lake Powell. It was deemed unsafe for recreational activities due to potential exposure to human feces. Witnesses reported that a houseboat with more than 20 occupants did not comply with laws and regulations about the proper disposal of human waste. Cleanup of the area will be a significant challenge and the health hazard may persist for weeks or months. The incident is under investigation.
All visitors to Lake Powell are advised that every party camping within one-quarter mile of the lakeshore must have a portable toilet system that does not use plastic bags to contain the waste. (When the device is dumped at a portable toilet dump system, the plastic bag can clog the system.)
This has been a requirement at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area for many years. The park has found that most visitors find traveling to and from the floating restrooms, especially after dark, inconvenient and dangerous. The lake level at Lake Powell fluctuates 20-50 feet a year. A beach that was out of the water and good for camping may be under water later. Any waste that was buried will be released by wave action and mingle with the water, making it potentially unsafe.
With eight floating restrooms/dump stations, and six areas within Lake Powell’s marinas, you are never too far from a place to empty your portable toilet. Additionally, the Stateline Boat Pumpout renovation has been completed and will be open to the public Friday, June 30, 2017 at 12 noon. The boat pumpout has been equipped with (4) Peristaltic pumps to pump out boats. These are the same types of pumps that are now in use at Wahweap, Bullfrog, Halls Crossing, and Dangling Rope.
The only exception is if visitors are using one of the new polymer-based waste bag containment systems. These are marketed under a variety of names, including ReStop and WagBag. The chemicals used in these systems immobilize liquids and begins breaking down the waste with enzymes. The plastic bag can then be properly disposed of at any dumpster.
According to Superintendent William Shott, “Lake Powell is one of the cleanest reservoirs in the United States. We need everyone’s efforts to help us keep it that way.”
Under the Powell Watch Program, if you see something, say something!
Text reports of violations or concerns to 928-614-0820
Lake Powell Area CLOSED in Kane Creek Canyon (Human Waste)
June 30
14:202017
by KXAZ News
Lake Powell Area Closed in Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay
Human Waste 
Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, UT – On June 28 a small area on land was closed in Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay at Lake Powell. It was deemed unsafe for recreational activities due to potential exposure to human feces. Witnesses reported that a houseboat with more than 20 occupants did not comply with laws and regulations about the proper disposal of human waste. Cleanup of the area will be a significant challenge and the health hazard may persist for weeks or months. The incident is under investigation.
All visitors to Lake Powell are advised that every party camping within one-quarter mile of the lakeshore must have a portable toilet system that does not use plastic bags to contain the waste. (When the device is dumped at a portable toilet dump system, the plastic bag can clog the system.)
This has been a requirement at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area for many years. The park has found that most visitors find traveling to and from the floating restrooms, especially after dark, inconvenient and dangerous. The lake level at Lake Powell fluctuates 20-50 feet a year. A beach that was out of the water and good for camping may be under water later. Any waste that was buried will be released by wave action and mingle with the water, making it potentially unsafe.
With eight floating restrooms/dump stations, and six areas within Lake Powell’s marinas, you are never too far from a place to empty your portable toilet. Additionally, the Stateline Boat Pumpout renovation has been completed and will be open to the public Friday, June 30, 2017 at 12 noon. The boat pumpout has been equipped with (4) Peristaltic pumps to pump out boats. These are the same types of pumps that are now in use at Wahweap, Bullfrog, Halls Crossing, and Dangling Rope.
The only exception is if visitors are using one of the new polymer-based waste bag containment systems. These are marketed under a variety of names, including ReStop and WagBag. The chemicals used in these systems immobilize liquids and begins breaking down the waste with enzymes. The plastic bag can then be properly disposed of at any dumpster.
According to Superintendent William Shott, “Lake Powell is one of the cleanest reservoirs in the United States. We need everyone’s efforts to help us keep it that way.”
Under the Powell Watch Program, if you see something, say something!
Text reports of violations or concerns to 928-614-0820
Goblin
Well-Known Member
And this from Fox 13 in SLC:
Popular Lake Powell beach closed over human feces contamination
Posted 2:24 pm, June 30, 2017, by David Wells
LAKE POWELL, Utah — A small area of Lake Powell’s Padre Bay has been closed to recreational activity after National Park Service officials discovered human fecal contamination.
The area (marked on the maps below) is in the Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay. According to NPS, witnesses reported that a houseboat with more than 20 people on board did not comply with laws and regulations about the proper disposal of human waste.
An unknown number of human waste piles are scattered in the area just under the surface of the sand, but no contamination of Lake Powell water is believed to have occurred.
“All visitors to Lake Powell are advised that every party camping within one-quarter mile of the lakeshore must have a portable toilet system that does not use plastic bags to contain the waste. (When the device is dumped at a portable toilet dump system, the plastic bag can clog the system.),” NPS wrote in a statement about the incident, noting that this has been a requirement at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area for many years.
Eight floating restrooms/dump stations are available, along with six areas at Lake Powell’s marinas, for emptying portable toilets.
The Stateline Boat Pumpout renovation is also available to the public as of noon Friday, and it has four peristaltic pumps for pumping out boats.
Another option for proper disposal of human waste is a polymer-based bag containment system, marketed under names such as ReStop and WagBag.
“The chemicals used in these [polymer-based] systems immobilize liquids and begins breaking down the waste with enzymes. The plastic bag can then be properly disposed of at any dumpster,” NPS wrote.
If you visit Lake Powell and notice any violations or concerns, send a text message (do not call) with the details to 928-614-0820. In an emergency, call 911 or hail the NPS on Marine Band 16.
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Popular Lake Powell beach closed over human feces contamination
Posted 2:24 pm, June 30, 2017, by David Wells
LAKE POWELL, Utah — A small area of Lake Powell’s Padre Bay has been closed to recreational activity after National Park Service officials discovered human fecal contamination.
The area (marked on the maps below) is in the Kane Creek Canyon of Padre Bay. According to NPS, witnesses reported that a houseboat with more than 20 people on board did not comply with laws and regulations about the proper disposal of human waste.
An unknown number of human waste piles are scattered in the area just under the surface of the sand, but no contamination of Lake Powell water is believed to have occurred.
“All visitors to Lake Powell are advised that every party camping within one-quarter mile of the lakeshore must have a portable toilet system that does not use plastic bags to contain the waste. (When the device is dumped at a portable toilet dump system, the plastic bag can clog the system.),” NPS wrote in a statement about the incident, noting that this has been a requirement at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area for many years.
Eight floating restrooms/dump stations are available, along with six areas at Lake Powell’s marinas, for emptying portable toilets.
The Stateline Boat Pumpout renovation is also available to the public as of noon Friday, and it has four peristaltic pumps for pumping out boats.
Another option for proper disposal of human waste is a polymer-based bag containment system, marketed under names such as ReStop and WagBag.
“The chemicals used in these [polymer-based] systems immobilize liquids and begins breaking down the waste with enzymes. The plastic bag can then be properly disposed of at any dumpster,” NPS wrote.
If you visit Lake Powell and notice any violations or concerns, send a text message (do not call) with the details to 928-614-0820. In an emergency, call 911 or hail the NPS on Marine Band 16.
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Waterbaby
Escalante-Class Member
Sorry you think this is a witch hunt. This practice has become all too common on Lake Powell and it seems the private houseboats have even made this a practice if you followed the reports from the Trash Trackers...... it needs to stop and the only way it stops is if people do get involved.
There is no excuse for this at all. This is despicable and disrespectful of Powell and your fellow boater. I hope they throw the book at this guy and force him to return to clean up his own poop. I feel fully violated by this. What a jerk! I really hope his name gets published and this becomes a huge public embarrassment for the responsible family, and I hope the fine is very painful.
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Waterbaby
Escalante-Class Member
What some do not realize is this needs to be made an example of because it has become all too common a practice. In the recent past Llywellyn Gulch was closed off due to fecal contamination, other coves and bays have been as well... Trash Trackers have regularly cleaned up after people like this and one year they reported bringing back a bucket full of ##### .....left behind at the end of someone's trip. We complain about the garbage that flows into the San Juan off the reservation, but really are any of the people doing this any different, and they should know better!
Only basketballs and car parts and other junk have been found coming off the rez. The houseboat managers need to make sure their renters know the rules, and that criminal convictions can result for failing to follow them! The offenders all seem to be timeshare boats! Maybe the shared ownership management companies need to be held responsible as well!
This story was just on the KSL 10pm news. Also, a write up on their website -
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44871335&nid=1417
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44871335&nid=1417
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