Snowpack is looking grim

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The Snotel reports are whacked out, this happens every few weeks, seems to be tied in with stormy conditions. All the Wyoming sites were down this morning
 
Mammoth tends to exaggerate the depth of their snowpack. Usually if they say they have 3 feet you can figure 1/2 of that. I realize they have to get people up there, so they stretch the truth. I have definitely messed up the bottom of skis in 3 feet (?) of snow at that resort.
 
The local news is claiming that Colorado is at 97% of normal, when there are flowers still blooming in the mountains. I wish I shared their optimism.
 
My brother in law who lives just east of Brighton High School in the Salt Lake Valley got 28” at his house from this storm.

That location is about 30 miles west (crow fly) from the western edge of the Colorado River Basin, but still...

Water in the Salt Lake City area and the entire western side of the Wasatch mountain range all flows into the Great Salt Lake unfortunately...
 
Escalante and San Juan are horrible numbers but I"m trying to be patient Drainage area is less than 7o% but it will get better
 
Even California got some snow yesterday. More is planned for today. We are keeping our fingers crossed. When I watched the Winter Olympics closing ceremonies I saw some performers had short snow skis with roller blade wheels under them. I was considering trying that on our local mountains.
 
Even California got some snow yesterday. More is planned for today. We are keeping our fingers crossed. When I watched the Winter Olympics closing ceremonies I saw some performers had short snow skis with roller blade wheels under them. I was considering trying that on our local mountains.

I read that the weather was so cold at the Olympics that they could only use skis for one run, it would burn the bottoms beyond belief and render them useless.
 
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/02/snow-california/

Seven Feet Of Snow In Northern California Puts Screeching Halt To State’s Drought
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Chris White
Energy Reporter

8:56 PM 03/02/2018



A massive snowstorm Friday in Northern California could bring the state’s lengthy drought to end while leaving two feet of snow in the mountains near Los Angeles.

The Sierra Nevada Mountains has seen two feet of snow and winds gusting over 100 miles per hour. Forecasters are expecting seven feet of snow in some areas of the mountain range. Meanwhile, more than 22,000 Montecito residents evacuated their homes as rain continued to pound the area — California’s weather comes as a nor’easter clobbers parts of the East Coast.

“The worst of the storm has passed, and we are cautiously optimistic that due to a significant amount of pre-storm preparation we have come through this with minimal impact,” Rob Lewin, director of the Santa Barbara County Office of Emergency Management, said in a statement.
 
This surprises me, in the past after a big snow storm Mammoth didn't open the lifts until the ski patrol had blasted The Cornice and deemed the mountain safe for skiers...... and in fact one year at Christmas time we drove up during a storm like this and they didn't open the mountain for two days because of unsafe conditions.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mammoth-avalanche-20180303-story.html

Avalanche strikes crowded Mammoth Mountain: 'Essentially, the top of the mountain came loose'

By Louis Sahagun, Harriet Ryan and Andrea Castillo
Mar 03, 2018 | 5:15 PM


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A sign at the Broadway Express chairlift informs visitors that the Mammoth Mountain ski area is closed after Saturday morning's avalanche. (Robbin Goddard / Los Angeles Times)

An avalanche at Mammoth Mountain early Saturday forced the closure of the popular ski area and triggered search and rescue efforts, officials said.

There were no immediate reports of injuries or missing people, but emergency crews were activated, officials said.

The ski patrol was conducting avalanche hazard mitigation work when the avalanche occurred about 10:15 a.m. on the upper part of the mountain near the High Five Express chairlift area, Lauren Burke, public relations manager for Mammoth Mountain, said in a statement. Such work usually involves the use of explosive devices to demolish dangerous snow piles.

Rescue operations, which included the use of search dogs, were immediately activated.



"Three people were partially buried [in the avalanche], including one Mammoth Mountain employee," Burke said. But "the three individuals were able to free themselves without injury."

The area where the ski patrol had been working was closed to skiers at the time of the incident, she said. Falling avalanche debris reached the bottom of the lift and ultimately an area open to the public, Burke said.

Upon hearing reports of the avalanche, Mammoth Hospital summoned about 20 extra doctors and nurses into work, but as of 12:45 p.m. Saturday, the hospital had not received any patients related to the event, according an emergency room nurse who declined to give his name.

"The reports we are getting is that all employees have been accounted for, and no one has called in the number for missing loved ones," he said.

Mammoth Mountain is in California's Sierra Nevada range, about 300 miles north of Los Angeles. A recent storm brought up to 5 feet of snow to mountain areas.

The slopes were extremely crowded Saturday morning with people taking advantage of the new snowfall. As the sun came up, visitors could hear explosions on the mountain indicating that workers were using a cannon and other equipment to break up snowy overhangs that had developed overnight and could fall, triggering avalanches.

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(Los Angeles Times)
Skiers realized there had been a disaster on the mountain about 11 a.m., when chairlifts came to an abrupt halt and the air was suddenly filled with the sound of sirens blaring as emergency responders and ambulances streamed up to the resort, a witness said in an interview with The Times on Saturday.

"I was waiting to board a ski lift when it suddenly stopped working," said Barbara Maynard of Los Angeles. "Suddenly, it was pandemonium everywhere you looked. Ambulances, police vehicles and fire engines were rolling into the area. Simultaneously, Mammoth Mountain staffers and ski patrols were roaring up the slopes on snowmobiles."

Many people were probing for buried skiers and snowboarders on the Comeback Trail, which cuts past Chairlift 5, she said.

"Shortly before the slide, that area was very crowded," Maynard said. "Essentially, the top of the mountain came loose in a major avalanche."

Maynard said all members of the Mammoth Mountain ski racing team, including her 13-year-old daughter, got off the mountain safely.

Lucas Dunn was skiing down from Chairlift 16 when he saw snow pouring down what appeared to be a closed run near Chair 5, the area called High Five Express.

"I skied down to see what was going on, and at that point, you could see a bunch of broken trees and all the fencing had been taken out. You could see snowmobiles flipped and buried," said Dunn, the social media manager at Footloose Sports, a sporting goods store in Mammoth Lakes. He said the men riding the snowmobiles appeared unhurt and were doing a head count as he passed by.

The avalanche "descended the mountain much farther than anything I've seen previously," he said.

Afterward, the mountain was shut down, and a throng of motorists began making their way down into town in white-out conditions. As cars crept down the winding roads, Dunn said, more than 15 ambulances, their sirens screaming, made their way up the hill toward the site of the avalanche.

"That was the most unnerving part," he said.

John Williams, 46, a longtime resident of the area, said he was among a group of friends preparing to board Chairlift 22 when "the operation suddenly stopped loading, leaving more than 150 skiers wondering what was going on."

"We hiked about 15 minutes to the parking lot, where local emergency mayhem had broken out," Williams said. "There were people trying to get out any way they could; some were waiting for buses, others were sharing rides and more than 100 just started skiing down Minaret Road, the main highway to the bottom of the mountain.

"Driving down two-lane Minaret Road was tricky and a little dangerous," he said. "Traffic was closed uphill to all but emergency responders. The downhill lane was jammed with cars, trucks and skiers traveling about 5 miles per hour."

The varying consistency of the snowpack deposited over the area by recent storms already was a topic of conversation among locals concerned about the potential for avalanches.

Thursday night, a heavy layer of wet snow accumulated over a few feet of cold, light snow. On Friday night, the heavy wet snow was covered with another fresh layer of cold, light snow.

That combination, locals say, can result in layers of ice and light snow that fail to adhere and are, therefore, prone to sliding.

Details of the avalanche were hard to come by throughout the day, even for residents of nearby communities that are home for the ski resort's staffers.

"There was nothing on local police, fire or emergency websites," said Stephanie Cooper, who resides in the area during the winter months. "Mammoth Mountain's website finally said in its Daily News section that 'all lifts are currently closed' but went on to talk about the great snowfall."

Although there were no confirmed reports of missing people, anyone who is aware of missing friends or family is asked to call authorities at (760) 934-0611.

Mammoth will remain closed Saturday, Burke said.

"We expect to return to normal operation" Sunday, she said. "Full investigation is ongoing, and more details will come."

louis.sahagun@latimes.com

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andrea.castillo@latimes.com

UPDATES:

5:15 p.m.: This article was updated with new information from Mammoth Mountain officials.

3:20 p.m.: This article was updated with new comments from a resident in the Mammoth Mountain area.

2:30 p.m.: This article was updated with new information from Mammoth Mountain officials, including the length of the expected closure.

1:50 p.m.: This article was updated with new information from Mammoth Mountain officials and witnesses.

12:50 p.m.: This article was updated with new comments from witnesses.

12:10 p.m.: This article was updated with new comments from witnesses.

This article was originally posted at 11:50 a.m.
 
I am thinking they don't have the ability to hold this and it will end up in the ocean anyway?
 
They claim they are in a drought.....but last Summer, the whole state was flooding! Bwahahahahahahaha
 
Isn't CA removing MANY small but older dams across the state? I read there a lot of them being demolished that add up to much needed storage for dry periods.
Some have silted up they say but that excuse is being used to destroy many useful and still functional dams.
 
Isn't CA removing MANY small but older dams across the state? I read there a lot of them being demolished that add up to much needed storage for dry periods.
Some have silted up they say but that excuse is being used to destroy many useful and still functional dams.

They claim they are in a drought.....but last Summer, the whole state was flooding! Bwahahahahahahaha


Last year was a once in a 100 year flood caused by too much rain too long and not enough water storage and inadequate maintenance on one of their largest dams [Orville] which still has not been properly repaired because they are spending billions on a train to nowhere that no one wants [but the politicians]. The Dam is a State-owned, not a Federal-owned dam, but it is located in a very conservative part of California where a lot of people lost their homes and livelihoods when the dam started giving way last year. Trump gave the State emergency money, but heaven only knows how Brown spent it. He gave them $ after the fires in Northern California and Southern California, too. Santa Barbara was because of the fires which likely would not have been so bad if they had graded in fire roads and cleared under brush like they "used" to do in the State - before the environmentalists stopped it... this is not a new phenom - ran into the same problem with the big Yorba Linda/Chino Hills fires a few years ago - also spread due to lack of preventative actions.. when we lived in Chino Hills every Spring the trustee prisoners from Chino Prison were brought up into the hills to clear massive fire breaks... it helped save a lot of homes, our home included, when big fires hit as they always do in Santa Ana wind conditions. But in Santa Barbara when the fires took out what usually held back the hillsides and the first big rains came it was a disaster - and they still haven't located all the bodies - also a reason they evacuated ahead of this week's storms.
 
Isn't CA removing MANY small but older dams across the state? I read there a lot of them being demolished that add up to much needed storage for dry periods.
Some have silted up they say but that excuse is being used to destroy many useful and still functional dams.

When you read below you see many are very, very old..... and many are nothing but mud pits now [silt].....

Former dams
The largest lakes in the State [Shasta, Oroville, Folsom, etc., ] were dangerously low before the rains came last year.......

California has a lot of earth-filled and hydraulic dams- many have become so silted up they're pretty much useless - and worse have habit of giving way in massive rains like last winter - as we saw with Oroville - here is a list - and as you can see many are quite old! And there is a history in CA for massive and fatal floods as one of them gives way [like when the St. Francis Dam let loose]: Look at the ages of many of them on the list I've linked below....... Their money should be going to this not for a train project for Jerry Brown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_California

Note on the list one of the newest is Diamond Lake in Riverside County - it receives water from Lake Havasu pumping station so it receives Colorado River Water - many on the list do not get Colorado River Water - other than Riverside County most goes to Imperial Valley to grow our food and to San Diego area... Most of Southern California's water is fed from pipelines running from Northern California to Southern California where some of the water is stored in Lake Castaic and Pyramid Lakes. Also as you can see on the list Colorado River is a very small name on the list of sources of their water......

Two-thirds of water in California homes is from the SWP [State Water Project]- not the Colorado River where it flows from Lake Oroville down the Feather River to the Sacramento River, into a reservoir that feeds a set amount into the Delta each year and then pumped up and over the Tehachapi Mountains and stored in Castaic, Pyramid and Silverwood lakes for use in Southern California. All of this uses a tremendous amount of energy BTW because of the heights they have to pump the water over the mountains.

Hetch Hetchy Dam up in the Yosemite area holds water for San Francisco. It was constructed after the San Francisco 1906 earthquake at the urging of residents of San Francisco... today residents of San Francisco stupidly want the dam removed. The same myopic thinking we get from the same subjects who want to remove Glen Canyon Dam..... Note Hetch Hetchy is a small lake compared to others on the list - about half the size of Lake Havasu. Not sure how the Sierra Club proposes San Francisco and the surrounding regions will get their water?

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Then there is the Central Valley Project - it is a popular target of environmentalists for many reasons, not the least is some of the same issues water wars have been fought since the West was first settled... Included in the CVA is Lake Shasta, Lake Folsom, etc..

Then there is the Los Angeles Aqueduct. Again if you have read Cadillac Desert you learn the whole nasty story involved in this, if you didn't read the book, but happened to watch the movie Chinatown - you know the story as it is told pretty well in the movie.... This brings water from the Sierra Nevada down along 395/14 to the San Fernando Valley...

Water is scarce all along the coast - Santa Barbara is always in a perpetual drought state in all but the most rare of rainy seasons where they go from not enough to too much....... my sister-in-law and husband live in Cambria - and up there if you do not buy a water meter with your land purchase the land is pretty much worthless for anything than dirt. Not much different as you move further up the coast. They would benefit along the coast from desalinization - but there is that pesky energy situation and disposal of the salts.

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Wanted to point out one more issue re water and water consumption. The two States with equal shares of the Colorado River [Colorado and California each get equal allocations] have legalized the use and growing of pot. Each plant uses roughly six gallons of water/day. Energy costs are exorbitant. In our arid environment, this is an enormous consumption of water. Ranchers living in the area of growers are having tremendous and costly problems getting enough water for their livestock. How long will it take for people to realize this is also a unplanned draw on water consumption in the already over drawn Colorado River?
 
How long will it take for people to realize this is also a unplanned draw on water consumption in the already over drawn Colorado River?

As soon as they stop smoking their newly found source of recreation. Sq
 
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