Bullfrog Ramp Situation

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Great work by Drew and yes, I agree it's important to stay solution oriented when confronted with a challenge. I love Lake Powell as much as anybody here, but I agree it doesn't help much to wish things were different than they are. But here we are. So where to start?

Whenever I break down a problem, I think in terms of things that are out of our control, things we can control, and then the most important third leg--looking at the situation differently than you always have, and changing your approach.

For Lake Powell, here's what we can't control:

1. The weather, and related snowpack
2. Water supply and power needs in the West
3. Ongoing population growth

Okay, we can't control these things, so no need to spend much time on them. Although these topics make great books and amusingly apocalyptic blog threads.

Here's what we can influence, but can't really control:

1. Governmental response to improving lake access
2. Our collective water and power demand

It's tempting to ignore these too, but we shouldn't. For these, it's a question of "doing your part" in the form of either focused input to the NPS or BOR when public forums are made available, or if you actually work for those agencies, using your influence from within. And if our efforts don't change things in the short-term, they still can in the long-term through persistent action. For the question of collective water supply and demand, again it's doing your part as individuals...see below.

Here's what we can control as individuals, which in the long run can influence governmental and industry response related to these issues:

1. Water demand. No need for green lawns. Use low flow plumbing. Eat fewer processed foods (which require enormous amounts of water to make). In general, alter your normal household habits and set an example for others.

2. Power supply and demand. Use less power. Shut out the lights. Unplug things you're not using. Install solar on your roof if you can. Things that take the load off the power grid, which in turn figures into long-range power demand projections used by BOR, for example.

3. Have fewer babies.

But of course, these are all nice things to do especially in the big picture, but don't do much in the very short term, which is what we need right now for the purposes of Lake Powell. So let's look at the positive aspects of a lower Lake Powell with uncertain access and a broken Dangling Rope, and then fashion a response around that:

1. A nearly empty central part of the lake
2. Less boat activity at the north end
3. A variety of features within the canyons uncovered and waiting to be seen
4. Fewer casual visitors in general, as they fear the consequences of a lower lake and make other plans
5. No practical way to do commercial Rainbow Bridge tours--so fewer tourboats!

So given those very positive things, how is the best way to take advantage of them if you can't control the weather, cannot force anyone to build ramps, can't be sure of boating access from the more remote roads that reach the lake, and can't boat as far up the San Juan, Escalante or the main stem of the lake as you want?

Here's my thoughts on that. And this is where "thinking differently" comes into play...

1. Rent a boat. I don't own a boat, so this concept seems normal to me, but I understand that if you own a boat you want to use it. But in the short term, renting a boat out of Bullfrog will remain possible for some time. Not ideal, but a short-term solution to get on the lake at Bullfrog and take advantage of no crowds.

2. Launch from Wahweap and bring more gas. Many have suggested this, but there's no better way to get to the middle of the lake and have it to yourself than this way.

3. Focus on walking the side canyons. This is the one that I'm the most excited about. Granted, not everyone can hike, or has the desire or ability to venture far from the lake, but boy, there is some pretty awesome stuff to see in those canyons as the lake as receded. For this kind of trip, it's more about staying in one place (or two), camping and walking rather than boating. Which doesn't take much extra gas.

4. Focus on photography. Again, you don't need to go far to get to some great places, and the best photos are the details, not the panoramas, and especially in the side canyons. Take in the quiet, look for the little things right in front of you, and the rewards are great.

...and from there, use your imagination...the fish are still there...the lake is still big...

These things all may seem obvious, but there's a million ways to enjoy Lake Powell without having to do the same fishing trip to the same places every year, launching from the same spot. The lake is, as it always has been, a dynamic and ever-changing thing. So we as users have to take the same approach and adjust. And when the lake level goes back up, we adjust again.

Simple enough. No graphs required.
 
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Thx Drew - very impressive!!! I always liked the little bay just north of the HC dry dock area??? Used to hammer the SMB in there behind the (old) buoy field??? And it looked like a reasonable slope/gradient?? Just out of your contour pics on the north. The ferry spot looks like the one to get down as low as possible??? Thx again
Do you mean this bay shown here, facing north, between the marina and the ferry cove? The shoreline looks a little steep for an access road, which would also need to be built, along with the ramp. The nice thing about the marina location or the ferry cove is that there already are roads to the water there.
 

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Excellent and well reasoned post from JFR. I am guilty of the apocalyptic tone. When kids and grandkids south end houseboat trip got hosed last summer with zero notice, I went on the warpath. Watching history repeat itself at north end is agonizing. Will give it a rest and see what happens in February/March.
 
Do you mean this bay shown here, facing north, between the marina and the ferry cove? The shoreline looks a little steep for an access road, which would also need to be built, along with the ramp. The nice thing about the marina location or the ferry cove is that there already are roads to the water there.
Yep that's it. Doesn't look too steep??? Pretty easy access from the head of the draw just east of dry storage?? But it may end in the same cliff as the HC main ramp???Next WW down there - let's see some pics of all these possibilities??? PLEASE!!!
 
I have always favored the ferry route. It not only allows a good consistent grade all the way to the river using existing roadway, it would continue to be useful when the water level comes up, facilitating better ferry service all the way to the bottom. I don't see what is preventing the development of that option as well. It may be the only hope up north.
 
This is the most unusual year since I arrived at Lake Powell in 1975. The lack of moisture and falling Lake level is painful to witness and extremely difficult to provide an answer to the question of what will it look like in spring and summer of 2022? The major problem is that the falling lake level removes the water from our launch ramps and makes it impossible to launch in the northern lake.

The best possible answer is that the spring runoff causes the lake to rise and restores the ability to launch at our existing ramps. So far, that does not seem like it will happen. It would be so amazing if we had a great year like 1983-1984 when the lake came up more than expected and just about over flowed at the dam. We know that is not going to happen in 2022, but a late series of storms in April and May would be a game changer. The dry launch ramps could go back under water and provide boating access once more. I really hope that happens and I am praying for that result. If that does not work what are the other options.

NPS built a new ramp at Wahweap that will will allow boating access in 2022. The old ramps, now out of water, could not provide continued launching at low water because the lake level at the ramp bottom ended in a cliff. It was not possible to add a workable extension to the ramp. There was a spot where the Stateline Auxiliary could be extended on a gentle slope that worked for the current water level. This new ramp is now the only useable ramp at Lake Powell. I thank the NPS for this great solution to a very difficult problem.

Is there a chance that something similar could happen at Bullfrog? I do not have the expertise to know if there is a great gentle slope anywhere in the Bullfrog Halls vicinity, that could be used as a new ramp. Is there enough depth in the existing lake for a new ramp to be constructed? It has to be a spot close enough to exiting roads and structures so a completely new marina is not required. NPS only had to extend the ramp at Wahweap. Is there a place like that near Bullfrog or Halls?

For now, I invite all northern lake users to launch at Wahweap and get their Lake Powell fix replenished. Still the best fix is if the winter changes course and provides more snow and spring runoff. If that is not the case, then it may be possible to find a spot where a new ramp could be built in the Bullfrog area. If you have long term memory from the 1960s that may prove possible for a new ramp construction at Bullfrog, please let us know and we can share that information with NPS and if they know they can share with us. We need to work as a team to solve this impossible problem. NPS and the general public need to work together to make a plan for the future of Lake Powell in the coming days and years.

Please provide positive ideas and responses to this unprecedented situation that we face together. Let's get our Lake back.
I live in Colorado and camp in staton creek several times a year considering a trip to waheep wondering if they have similar primitive camping? I need my Powell fix thanks in advance
 
Is anyone trying to launch in Stanton Creek right now? I have done it once several years ago but the water was way higher. It's a 7 hour drive to page for me.
 
Is anyone trying to launch in Stanton Creek right now? I have done it once several years ago but the water was way higher. It's a 7 hour drive to page for me.
NPS has announced that they will be working on opening a launch ramp at Bullfrog in late April or May. Right now the ramps are l"aunch at your own risk" and not many have reported successful launches at Bullfrog.
 
The most recent first hand report I could find on this site is Dec. 16 by Dave.I ,back when the Officials imagined the existence of a Stanton Primitive Ramp. Not exactly what you asked for, I know, but, darn, it doesn’t sound good, even then. I don’t know Dave, but based on his posts on here, he seems to have the equipment and expertise to make a trustworthy judgment (I read “really hard pressed” to mean “Oh Heck no!” for us mere mortals). Can’t imagine the situation has somehow improved as the water has dropped.
“I drove down to Stanton and they are right. If you decided to drive your boat down that long 4x4 road, you would be REALLY hard pressed to find a place to launch. It doesn't look good at all.

So, my guess is someone located somewhere other than Bullfrog wrote the memo and someone said Stanton might be a primitive launch area. Sadly, most of you drive too far to not know for sure if you can launch or not.”
 
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The most recent first hand report I could find on this site is Dec. 16 by Dave.I ,back when the Officials imagined the existence of a Stanton Primitive Ramp. Not exactly what you asked for, I know, but, damn, it doesn’t sound good, even then. I don’t know Dave, but based on his posts on here, he seems to have the equipment and expertise to make a trustworthy judgment (I read “really hard pressed” to mean “Oh Hell no!” for us mere mortals). Can’t imagine the situation has somehow improved as the water has dropped.
To clarify, I was responding to captaincapsasian in this thread and the quote is from Dave.I
 
The most recent first hand report I could find on this site is Dec. 16 by Dave.I ,back when the Officials imagined the existence of a Stanton Primitive Ramp. Not exactly what you asked for, I know, but, damn, it doesn’t sound good, even then. I don’t know Dave, but based on his posts on here, he seems to have the equipment and expertise to make a trustworthy judgment (I read “really hard pressed” to mean “Oh Hell no!” for us mere mortals). Can’t imagine the situation has somehow improved as the water has dropped.
Does not sound too good. I guess I'll have to make the drive from GJ to Wahweep.
 
We just got back from an airline trip. While looking out the side windows prior to launch I noticed all the “extensions” they used to hook up to the nose wheels of the plane and the tow tractor. A piece of 2 3/8 drill pipe with a hitch welded at the truck end and a ball welded to the boat end would allow you to have as much length as you could pack into your truck or boat for the launch. Paired with this drop down wheel it would be real doable. And if you wanted the premium hillbilly launch extension, (no offense, Kevin 😀) you could use a combination of 2 7/8 and 2 3/8 and make shorter sections that slipped together.
 
Important to remember it isn’t just about getting the trailer deep enough without getting the tow vehicle stuck. That works on sand beaches. The problem with Powell is you are in mud with the danger of hitting boulders as well as unexpected drop offs. There is an absolute danger of severe trailer damage with those suggestions at Powell.
 
We just got back from an airline trip. While looking out the side windows prior to launch I noticed all the “extensions” they used to hook up to the nose wheels of the plane and the tow tractor. A piece of 2 3/8 drill pipe with a hitch welded at the truck end and a ball welded to the boat end would allow you to have as much length as you could pack into your truck or boat for the launch. Paired with this drop down wheel it would be real doable. And if you wanted the premium hillbilly launch extension, (no offense, Kevin 😀) you could use a combination of 2 7/8 and 2 3/8 and make shorter sections that slipped together.
I will be proud to use the premium hillbilly extension Dave, let me know when its ready 😜
 
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