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This guy is an enigma. Former trained Navy Seal, dedicated to team and results. I have serious respect for the man. Then entrusted with one of the most generational cabinet posts, dedicated to conservationism. Not meaning to violate rules of this site, but "We have fallen heirs to the most glorious heritage a people ever received, and each one must do his part if we wish to show that the nation is worthy of its good fortune--T. Roosevelt. Day 1, promised to ensure public lands for "all Americans, for generations to come." Well that lasted for about 24 hours. Immediately he undercuts the 1906 Antiquities Act by supporting a review of recent monuments, then goes on -- unprecedentedly-- to under cut past Administrative gains, for the sole benefit of oil and gas exploration. Another quote (sorry admins)-- "Power tends to corrupt". Seems that what happened to this man. I'm past my stopping point for this site, but I would like to leave this reference for those brave enough to read the impact this man has had on our glorious heritage.

https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/defaul...ege-at-department-of-interior-full-report.pdf
 
Without sovereign states we have no United States of America. We cannot have sovereign states while the federal gov't claims to own such large tracts of land within the borders...it denies the rights of those citizens who live in those states. We are outnumbered by outsiders.
We declared independence to prevent the very thing that is happening! There is no reason the states can't create parks and monuments, however, the federal gov't is prohibited from owning anything outside ports, forts etc... alas, by doing so it also swings the pendulum away from the pinko socialist ideals that so many have swallowed. I am glad Zinke is going away....he is not a supporter of Statehood or the Constitution. He did everything he could to grow government & that will not conserve anything worth conserving!
The citizens in the western states are being denied our Constitutional Rights. For those who think that's ok...well, you are a pinko.
Sorry Wayne, these are important issues for all of us in every aspect of our lives including our beloved Lake Powell. I realize this may get deleted...but...please think about it.
 
Good Riddance rjmronster,
rjmronster said:
Immediately he undercuts the 1906 Antiquities Act by supporting a review of recent monuments
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I've never in my internet trolling life read such a ridiculous statement. Do you honestly believe that that act was written to "protect" millions of acres of sagebrush? The ones who abused Antiquities act were Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, among a few others. Those who live in San Juan County UT are the victims of Federal overreach, and have every right to be upset. Our family farm lies in this county and we're concerned with just how high our property taxes will climb, if oil and gas exploration is not allowed in future. Of course that's of no concern to you, or Obama.
 
I haven't read up on why Zinke is resigning, but him working with Trump to reduce the monster monument of Bears Ears, and Escalante Staircase is exactly what the locals wanted. Obama absolutely ABUSED the Antiquities Act with the 1.3 million acres he passed for the Bears Ears.
I personally led a group in Arizona, opposing a 1.7 million Acre monument, that Obama had plans of designating surrounding the Grand Canyon. He decided on Bears Ears instead. It is a FIRST in history, with Trump reversing the 1906 Antiquities Act, and reducing a monument. I applaud him and Zinke for that!
 
I don't think too many in this administration will want to stick around for all the endless investigations of staff members coming in January.
 
I am confused why the government can’t own property when the constitution allows it;

Pursuant to the Property Clause of the United States Constitution (Article Four, section 3, clause 2), the Congress has the power to retain and sell and to regulate federal lands.
 
I liked Zinke and considered him the best Interior Secretary in my memory. His memo to federal agency heads that reaffirmed states have priority on pubic lands for conducting fish and wildlife management is why I say that. If you did not get the memo, here it is.

https://www.peer.org/assets/docs/doi/9_11_18_Zinke_memo.pdf

Please read the memo, it will likely change your negetive oppinions about Zinke. Those who opposed the memo were generally groups that would also favor draining Lake Powell.

Zinke has been a proponent for access on public lands and opposed to selling them. This is something all sportsmen should applaud. Shrinking the size of Bears Ears NM was another good thing. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) creates a management plan for a national monument, hunters are going to get screwed on access. The BLM will prohibit dispersed camping in a national monument and make everyone camp in designated areas. The designated areas will be inadequate to handle the number of big game permits issued and hunters will have hard time finding a place to camp. The campsites will likely be crowded and will concentrate people into specific areas. This interferes with the states ability to manage wildlife populations because hunters cannot disperse. If wilderness areas are established inside a monument, hunter access is further restricted interfering with the state's ability to manage wildlife populations.

Between the media being biased and the Google Search engine being biased, it is hard to find any positive articles about Zinke's accomplishments the past 2 years. It is unfortunate that Zinke is being falsely portrayed in the media and has to leave.
 
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Lost Anchor said:
I am confused why the government can’t own property when the constitution allows it;

Pursuant to the Property Clause of the United States Constitution (Article Four, section 3, clause 2), the Congress has the power to retain and sell and to regulate federal lands.
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Article 1, section 8, clause 16: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Powers of the fed are few and defined...a lot of people want to claim that the States gave, through 'enabling acts' the un-disposed lands, that is not correct. It only allowed for the federal gov't to continue to dispose of the lands.
 
Lost Anchor said:
I am confused why the government can’t own property when the constitution allows it;

Pursuant to the Property Clause of the United States Constitution (Article Four, section 3, clause 2), the Congress has the power to retain and sell and to regulate federal lands.
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The actual clause is: The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

This clause (The Property Clause) defines the exact powers and DUTIES that Congress has concerning the property whereas the Enclave Clause (in my 1st post) defines what types of property and for what reasons the gov't can own it. It's all very defined and specific. The Constitution says what it says and no more. It's a contract just like any other contract and was agreed to among the states who created it and the federal umbrella.
 
Lake Bum said:
... but him working with Trump to reduce the monster monument of Bears Ears, and Escalante Staircase is exactly what the locals wanted.
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Which locals? I didn't want it reduced. I liked the GSENM how it was, and had no issue with the size of the proposed BENM.

Fursniper said:
Zinke has been a proponent for access on public lands and opposed to selling them. This is something all sportsmen should applaud. Shrinking the size of Bears Ears NM was another good thing. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) creates a management plan for a national monument, hunters are going to get screwed on access. The BLM will prohibit dispersed camping in a national monument and make everyone camp in designated areas. The designated areas will be inadequate to handle the number of big game permits issued and hunters will have hard time finding a place to camp. The campsites will likely be crowded and will concentrate people into specific areas. This interferes with the states ability to manage wildlife populations because hunters cannot disperse.
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This is absolutely incorrect and untrue. One need only to look at the GSENM to see evidence that this is incorrect. It all depends on the enabling act (go read Lake Powell's enabling act!!) to see that NM's can be created with management of wildlife still managed by the State!

i've hunted the GSENM for years!

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If wilderness areas are established inside a monument, hunter access is further restricted interfering with the state's ability to manage wildlife populations.
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not necessarily. We have numerous wilderness designated areas throughout Utah that do not interfere with the State's ability to manage wildlife. Sure, it might limit how recreational users access those areas -- but that isn't always a bad thing!
After the Zinke fiasco, it was proposed that a new National Park be created in the Escalante Canyons area. This absolutely would restrict the State and the public from managing wildlife and hunting. Ironically, when you ask for changes, sometimes that's exactly what you get!
 
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