Should Dangling Rope open again?

[Canyon Glen]

What if there was an added fee to enter the recreation area and/or an extra boat launching fee that didn't get swallowed up in to the general fund but was set aside for the soul porpoise of funding Dangling Rope operations.

If the fees collected exceed what the marina needs to operate than that excess should be refunded by lowering the price of gas at the new Dangling Rope Marina. That way the fee payers can show their entry/boat launch receipt and get the refunds in cheaper gas.

 

[Beachin It]

No, it’s not the same. Not even close.

So that’s your opinion!

 

[Beachin It]

Well I just looked up the NPS visitation stats for GCNRA, which they're only showing through June, but yes, visitation seems to be way down this year. Just to look at June, here's what we've got:

2022 - 369,862
2021 - 555,031
2020 - 331,726 (and that was the year of the Covid lockdown)
2019 - 739,411
2018 - 874,675

You get the idea... In fact, if you discount the Covid year of 2020, the last time there were fewer visitors in June was in 2010. I'll be interested to see the stats for July through September...

And remember that DR was closed for most of 2021, including all of June...

Looks like a good thing!

 

[Beachin It]

Is this really your opinion, or are you just trolling?

Here are some of the differences between a car and a boat.

Most folks drive cars pretty much every day. National average is somewhere around 15,000 miles per year. That allows the owners to know their vehicle very well, and the range that it is capable of. Their average MPG is very consistent. Wind speed, load, speed have pretty minor impact on MPG. Every modern car has a reliable fuel gauge. It also has an odometer and trip meter you can reset after fueling. A computer that shows distance to empty, and average MPG. When you are in a city, you are pretty much always within a couple blocks, or at most miles, of a fuel station. When you are on a road trip, there are multiple ways to see how far you are from the next fuel station. Even when you are in very remote areas of the country, just about every vehicle on the road can comfortably go from point to point without worry about running out of fuel if you start full.

What about boats? Average hours on a boat seem to be around 40/year. Used 3 months a year. Often only a few weekends and one trip. Unlike cars, there is no mileage tracked, only hours. And no way to reset between fuels. MPG is wildly inconsistent, heavily impacted by wind speed, load, MPH, recreational use, etc. No gauge to show distance to empty. I've owned and rented a lot of cars. I can only think of one where the range on the bottom side of the tank was significantly different than the top. I've also owned a lot of boats. Literally EVERY one of them the bottom side of the tank drops significantly faster than the top. Not to mention that once you get to a half tank, most fuel gauges will bounce from 3/4 to 1/4. At any lake in the west, and especially Powell, the distance between marinas is substantial, very different than on land.

I could go on, but don't need to.

Most rational people would agree that there is very little in common between the two......

Ain’t easy being stupid

 

[Beachin It]

Right except the only Gas station between New York and California got closed.... good one

So!

 

[Beachin It]

I think it is pretty selfish for some of us to talk about wanting the lake all to ourselves. It is a huge lake, and solitude can be found all over the place. Not wanting Dangling Rope because some wakeboarders are rude is a real weak argument. And not wanting Dangling Rope because it will help help more people explore the areas above Oak Creek is also selfishly directed. Similar to those arguments, the drainers want the lake, and us, to be gone so they can have Glen Canyon all to themselves. We should be welcoming new visitors to this awesome wonderland instead of thinking up ways to keep them away. A new Dangling Rope Marina should be built to serve all of us.

New and more visitors means more trash and more disrespect of Powell

 

[Beachin It]

It’s hard to imagine grown adults that own boats and use Lake Powell would pull their boats home or stop coming to the lake because they “heard” there was no water and the lake was shutting down. Come on, are people really that stupid? With social media or picking up a phone and calling the NPS or one of the marinas you would find out the lake is still useable. If people stop coming to lake Powell or pull their boats home due to rumors maybe they shouldn’t be on the lake in the first place?

Yes, people are that stupid,,,, less stupid on Powell the better.

 

[Beachin It]

Is there another place between the Escalante and San Juan where a new marina could be relocated? Somewhere that fuel and supplies could be brought in by a road vs. barged? I've heard that there may be a rough road to Hole in the Rock but I've never been on it or anywhere near it. Could it be improved? Right now the people who love the peace and quite of this part of the lake are hating this comment.

Why? You want to boat to mid section of Powell then earn it by preparing. Don’t need a marina between BF and Waheap

 

[Beachin It]

I agree that if it’s possible to rebuild at DR, that’s the best location. And yes, that’s one reason to try to stabilize Powell at a higher water level (say, 3588). And that’s possible if BOR embraces what it says its going to about potentially restricting releases through the dam to less than its current protocols allow.

That said, I also think there’s potential to build in the relatively deep water cove just upstream of DR… see the attached image taken today 10-10-22, lake level 3530… Just needs a suitable breakwater, and a boat to get employees there from the existing housing in DR.

Worth studying…

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Don’t need it, you want to boat in the mid section then prepare. More boaters means more trash and more disrespect for Powell. In other words you have to earn it!

 

[Dangling Dooley]

I miss the web cam that used to be at Dangling Rope. The view of the sun coming over the mesa top was uplifting when taking a break from the cubicle life of a database administrator. We only went to Rainbow Bridge a few times but would stop for the ice cream at Dangling Rope. While packing up the houseboat this weekend, I discovered a couple Dangling Rope souvenirs. Those are now home in the permanent collection as I don't think I will see DR make a come back.

If I ever run into you, I'll give you a sweat stained Dangling Rope FUEL shirt to display in your man cave.

 

[Dangling Dooley]

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The tall rock in-between DR Canyon and this adjacent canyon has been known as Dragon Rock for at least a couple decades. If you really look close, you'll notice it barely looks like a dragon unless you are high on god knows what. Anyways, I don't believe I have ever seen this inlet labeled on any maps. So what are we calling it?

The tall rock on the left as you enter DR Canyon is called Turkey Rock and it has some pretty old carvings from very old Dangling Rope Employees and even some old rock climbing anchors. Not very "Leave No Trace", but kinda cool. Plus, it actually looks like a turkey. We used to scramble to the top of it which required a "leap of faith" that spanned about 7 feet and was about a 40ft drop. Those days are definitely over for me lol. Was cool to watch all the mile markers blink at night from up there.

 

[Dangling Dooley]

Don’t need it, you want to boat in the mid section then prepare. More boaters means more trash and more disrespect for Powell. In other words you have to earn it!

We get it dude. Chill.