Great question. Yes, the smaller charging systems such as a bike do work much better with lithium. LiFePo4 is capable of being pushed to 14.7V-14.8V for short durations, and small C rates(amps vs capacity). As long as the voltage is less then 14.6V for the bulk of the time, it isn’t a big problem for the cell.No apology necessary! That’s some great info!
While it’s on a smaller scale... I replaced my dirt bikes battery with an AntiGravity LiFe battery a few years ago. That LiFe battery has 9ah compared to the stock lead acids 6ah battery, and 230CC compared to the stock batterys 130CC. My dirt bike is all electric, no kick starter, the LiFe battery made a huge difference in how it starts up, especially the first time of the day.
My bike has a 3 phase AC stator type of alternator that uses a remote modular regulator / rectifier that looks very similar to the regulator/ rectifier my Yamaha 210 FSH uses. Does that type of charging system play better with the Lithium type of batteries? The AntiGravity battery seems to get charged well off of my bikes system. I have checked the voltage on my bike and under initial charge it is 14.7 volts and normal running it’s right around 14.5V.
The smaller powersports lithium batteries BMS have a higher voltage cutoff point than a deep cycle lithium battery. They typically don’t cutoff the charge unless it gets above 15.0V.
This method works for applications with small charging systems, and small Ah capacity batteries. The problems start when the stator or alternator charges too fast, and you get a cell that “runs” above the rest, and the BMS shuts down the battery. Manufacturers are getting smarter though, and are using BMS designs that don’t shut off the battery completely for overvoltage, they just cutoff charging.
The biggest problem with lithium and alternators is when you try to use a lithium battery designed for deep cycle in a starting application. Lithium has near zero resistance, and the alternator will go to 100% load. When the BMS suddenly cuts off charging, the alternator has nowhere to dump the excess current, and the system voltage spikes, sometimes in the 30V+ range. This nukes the regulator, and also can damage system electronics.
In the next year you will start seeing better solutions for starting batteries, but for now I am hesitant to use them on expensive alternators. It can definitely be done, but by no means is it a standardized system.