Going Down With The Ship

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I dunno I would probably sell. what is crystal clear to me is the willingness to simply drain the lake. to me it makes no sense to not have demanded cut backs long ago. just simply say you're getting 10% less water until the lake gets to 3600 or 3575 or something to that effect. its unthinkable they couldn't have figured out how to save that much water and if they had, 10%?!?! just be extra careful on water use! The lake would have a buffer to handle this year. I don't see the point of just using the same amount of water. its illresponsible management.

the lake holds 6.2 million acre feet currently. as it stands over the next year they are required to release 7.5 million. That exceeds the entire capacity of the lake as it stands currently! last year at this time the lake had over 1/3rd more water in it. as the lake dries up the levels drop exponentially.

IMO you will not see the big big big problem this summer, you will see it a year from now. the lake is in trouble. This year looks like its potentially the worst year yet. Ask yourself if inflows are say 3-4 million, releases are 7.5 thats essentially a dried up lake. they will likely release more from above to juggle it, but then again the water is probably better stored in the higher cooler lakes.
 
I owned a Beech Bonanza V tail airplane for 22 years, and sold it in 2021. Since covid, that same plane is selling for 3 times what I got for it. Oops.

I bought a Silverado with a plow on it in June off of ebay. Now that I have a plow to defend my driveway, it hasn't snowed in Colorado.

I think your logic is sound, but Mother Nature always has a pattern of making spectacular comebacks.
 
Leardriver said:
I owned a Beech Bonanza V tail airplane for 22 years, and sold it in 2021. Since covid, that same plane is selling for 3 times what I got for it. Oops.

I bought a Silverado with a plow on it in June off of ebay. Now that I have a plow to defend my driveway, it hasn't snowed in Colorado.

I think your logic is sound, but Mother Nature always has a pattern of making spectacular comebacks.
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forked tail doctor killer, LOL
 
That was the reputation ever since Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Bopper were killed in one in the event known as the day the music died. The real issue was that a pilot flew into heavy icing conditions, and got what he was unknowingly asking for. Bonanzas were 50% faster than the other singles of the days, and people got in over their heads. Mine was a 1961, and in over 60 years, only crashed into bugs:cool:
 
hidesert cowboy said:
I dunno I would probably sell. what is crystal clear to me is the willingness to simply drain the lake. to me it makes no sense to not have demanded cut backs long ago. just simply say you're getting 10% less water until the lake gets to 3600 or 3575 or something to that effect. its unthinkable they couldn't have figured out how to save that much water and if they had, 10%?!?! just be extra careful on water use! The lake would have a buffer to handle this year. I don't see the point of just using the same amount of water. its illresponsible management.

the lake holds 6.2 million acre feet currently. as it stands over the next year they are required to release 7.5 million. That exceeds the entire capacity of the lake as it stands currently! last year at this time the lake had over 1/3rd more water in it. as the lake dries up the levels drop exponentially.

IMO you will not see the big big big problem this summer, you will see it a year from now. the lake is in trouble. This year looks like its potentially the worst year yet. Ask yourself if inflows are say 3-4 million, releases are 7.5 thats essentially a dried up lake. they will likely release more from above to juggle it, but then again the water is probably better stored in the higher cooler lakes.
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The lake currently holds 24 million acre feet.
 
Leardriver said:
I owned a Beech Bonanza V tail airplane for 22 years, and sold it in 2021. Since covid, that same plane is selling for 3 times what I got for it. Oops.

I bought a Silverado with a plow on it in June off of ebay. Now that I have a plow to defend my driveway, it hasn't snowed in Colorado.

I think your logic is sound, but Mother Nature always has a pattern of making spectacular comebacks.
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Sounds like the best investment ever, no wear & tear, no gas consumption, but gives the desired result.
 
the mega droughts that pushed out the colorado plateaus’ early inhabitants are bound to repeat.. according to tree ring analysis, some of those drought cycles lasted 40+ years, caused famine, war, and genocide here on the plateau, pushed out most of population. probably gunna happen again. The indigenous population built dams and levees, we just tried on a monumental scale. Mother N will have the last word w our lake I reckon. But heck it could start snowing in mid Feb and snow till June in the high country , and be a 300 percent winter next year. Then we are cookin! Hope so . Humans love being selfish about resources, always have always will. And the resources always go to the population.. anyway , let the water wars begin, or not.. keep your houseboat !
 
Bigcatpt said:
If the lower levels did not affect access, I would stop worrying. Continue to provide access and all is well!
I mean in 10 years, instead of saying I am going to Lake Powell for vacation, I will just say I am going to the Glen Canyon River for vacation. :LOL:
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Access is always my concern. And with low ramp levels ending at 3519 both ends of the lake will be in jeopardy again this year.
 
Ryan said:
Access is always my concern. And with low ramp levels ending at 3519 both ends of the lake will be in jeopardy again this year.
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For sure! We launched in April 2023 at 3519.5 with the back wheels of the boat trailer (22 foot boat) on the very end of the metal boiler plates. Anything below 3519 is for sure a hard max, at least for the BF north ramp. We may be right about that level again by the 1st part of May.
 
Boating Powell since '88. Owning a house boat is still a dream. The kids are gone and now we scoot around on a 24' tritoon that will run 40 mph. We stay at the "resort" nowadays, occasionally camping when the weather is nice. Powell is part of my DNA. Hoping for the best... Launching 02-26, perhaps for the last time?
 
Of course they are posh Tri toons with a pair 400’s on them and they retail at about 350k but it takes another 100 k to actually buy one so 450 all in. [/QUOTE said:
I am a wyoming AIS inspector. We had a bennington come through with twin 500R.Honda's on it. I picture it like a modern bass boat , going down the lake with two feet of the hull and the props in the water.
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JFRCalifornia said:
For those who haven't seen why Dungeon Canyon is named "Dungeon", here's what it looked like in 1961, before Lake Powell:

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And even after the lake began to fill, Dungeon Canyon still had a similar quality to it. Here's what it looked like in the late summer of 1963, when the lake was in the neighborhood of 3380 or so...

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JFR, these pics are great. (y)The last one in summer '63 (love the Evinrude) you say the level was 3380 or so....on the lake Powell database it doesn't list 1963's levels, just 3409. Not to give you more work.....but is there a place where those '63 levels, after bypass tunnels were closed, were tracked in '63? :unsure: Mahalo!
 
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