Boating Ban at Standley Lake (Denver area)

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Ryan said:
There are significantly more fishing boats than wake boats and cruisers combined. So yes, I will stand by that statement.
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I want to go to the lakes you go to. What is this statement based on? EVERYWHERE other than strawberry (a <9k foot trout fishery) and Powell pre Memorial Day I’m outnumbered a 100-1. And that isn’t a pull out my butt stat lol.

(Disclaimer (lol), I seriously have nothing but respect for you Ryan. Please don’t take my conversation as demeaning or rude as it is not in any way. I know that can be hard to sense over text word.)
 
Lost Anchor said:
Most of the West Slope CPW lakes are going to locked gates at night. They found out that people where cutting their seal off and keeping it when going to lake Powell. Then hitting a lake that allowed pre-inspection. Then put their already cut, but saved green seal in the drop box and launching before Inspectors there. This way, they where avoiding getting decon after being at Powell. Most of the boats doing this where wake board boats.
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I’d love to see some sort of proof source for your allegation.
 
I don't think that this was brought about by the ski boat or the bass boat or the cruiser for that matter. Like birdsnest said it's because of selfish sneeky people and they use all of the above mentioned boats so it's those people that we are being punished for in terms of lake use, and something has to be done to protect our uninfected waterways. While I don't want to be put off my local lakes because of some selfish person, something has to be done. I wish I had the answer.
 
Dungee Fishing said:
I want to go to the lakes you go to. What is this statement based on? EVERYWHERE other than strawberry (a <9k foot trout fishery) and Powell pre Memorial Day I’m outnumbered a 100-1. And that isn’t a pull out my butt stat lol.

(Disclaimer (lol), I seriously have nothing but respect for you Ryan. Please don’t take my conversation as demeaning or rude as it is not in any way. I know that can be hard to sense over text word.)
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First, mutual respect.

Second, 100-1? Those numbers aren't even close to supported by boat sales data.

Malibu boats have been acknowledged as the number one selling tow boat for the last several years. How many boats do you think they sell? This is data neither of us have to pull out of our butt.

In 2018, Malibu Boats - which includes Malibu, Axis and Cobalt, sold 6,292 units. That was a huge gain vs 2017, where they sold 3815 units (which probably didn't include Cobalt as that was a new acquisition).
Even if you say that all of those boats were wake boats (they weren't), that is a minuscule % of boat sales, estimated to be 260,000 units in 2017 (most recent data I could find).
www.nmma.org

U.S. Boat Sales Strong Heading into 2018, Poised for Another Year of Growth

January kicks off busy selling season with boat shows held around the U.S.
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Actually, digging deeper, they expected 280,000 boat sales last year.
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NMMA Issues 2018 Highlights for Boat Sales and the Recreational Boating Economy | Marina Dock Age

The National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) announced that retail unit sales of new powerboats were up an estimated 4 percent in 2018 to approximately 280,000 units, the highest total since 2007. Continued growth with a 3 to 4 percent increase in new powerboat retail … Learn More
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So, if the #1 wake boat builder sells 6000 units/year, and their main competitors (MasterCraft and Nautique) sold the same # of units, that brings total sales to 18,000 units. Add another 5000 for Supreme, Tige, and whoever else builds wake boats, and then round up, you have 25,000 units / 280,000 boats, wake boats represent less than 10% market share of new boats. And they certainly were a smaller % in the past.
 
And, to keep going, more info. This time for 2017.
brandongaille.com

38 Boating Industry Statistics and Trends

#1. More than 87 million adults in the United States participate in recreational boating activities each year. Top activities include waterskiing, fishing, and general travel. (Statista) #2. In 2016, the total value of recreational boats
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Look at #15.
#15. Over 169,000 outboard powerboat units were sold in 2017, reflecting a year-over-year change of 4.9% in sales. More outboard units were sold than all other boat types combined. (Boating Industry Magazine)
#16. PWC boats are the second-most common type sold, with over 62,000 units sold. Both stern and inboard boat types achieved 11,000 units sold respectively. (Boating Industry Magazine)

Want to have a significant impact on the economy? Let's institute some boating bans.
#27. The recreational boating industry creates an economic impact of more than $120 billion annually, when direct, indirect, and induced spending figures are combined. (NMMA)
#28. The U.S. boating industry helps to support over 650,000 jobs directly and indirectly, along with 35,000 small businesses. (NMMA)
 
Not even sure what to say, other than I can't compare anecdotal data to hard sales data.

And you seem to be saying outboard vs all other propulsion (which still doesn't line up with empirical data).
 
And here’s all I’m saying, unless all those wake surfers are also trolling pop gear simoltaneously my physical eyes see our fishing boat SEVERELY outnumbered by non fishing boats each trip we take (again sans high altitude strawberry and spring Powell).

The only place I’ve seen where the ratio even approaches 50/50 is the gorge.

I’ll take some personal pics this summer...

But anyway, as has been stated, it’s not the boat, it will be the stupidity and ignorance of the operators.
 
I'm not even sure what we are arguing about now. But I like to argue so I can continue. ;)

And, an aside, if they are surfing behind anything but a inboard or the new VP reverse drive, they are future Darwin Award Winners.......
 
I would imagine that states and feds will get further involved and legislated boat designs like they have cars. I can imagine legislation that prevents builders from constructing recreational towable boats that are not easily inspected and decontaminated. If the builders insist on water ballast for tow boats and sail boats, then they may need to be built with a single point decon fluid distribution system that floods the nooks and cranny's, ballast tanks etc My ocean going towable has a single connection on the trailer that floods the trailer with fresh water from a hose that flushes all the hidden bits with fresh water to prevent corrosion from the salt water. I owned a ballasted sail boat and sold it to a guy who is a salt water sailor back when the whole contamination issue came up. My conscience wouldn't allow me to buy any ballasted boat nor to avoid the inspection and decon rules for my non-ballasted boats. But, I'm not a 20 something muscle bound dude with 8 friends on board with a case of beer and incapable of thinking about Quaga. I'm a true fat flatulent old fart and I'm proud of it.
 
I always love it when one group of recreationalist blame the other.......really? This serves no purpose in the big picture. Either way, the system isn't full proof, there are lots of flaws in every plan to stop the spread of the mussel. IMHO, we are fighting an uphill battle unless we find a natural deterrent to the mussel, I.E. predator or environment.
 
I am not a fan of the ballast boats ability to transport a much larger "dose" of mussel infested water. However, the equipment is not the problem. It is selfish people that think rules do no apply to them, and rationalize bad behavior by criticizing the regulations and the agencies. The same is true all over, just like people with ATV's that pioneer new roads, hunters that poach etc.... Clearly, it most states (esp. Utah) need to be more proactive, but this is such an obvious case of deliberate rule breaking, it makes you scratch your head...
 
Just a couple of comments. Regarding the wakeboat vs fishing boat - I am not sure the tanks, whether it be ballast or bait/live well are the biggest problem. The first mussel I saw at Powell was a single attached to the 7/8” anchor line on our previous house boat. Further more I just got done servicing two outdrives on our Houseboat, and while I found several on the outdrive exterior (mostly in nooks and crannies), I did not find one of the bastards in the internal workings of either unit. I have a filter on my ballast water intake on my wakeboat and after several inspections over the past few years, I have never found any sign of mussels on the filter, housing, or entering piping so while I have no scientific evidence, my practical experience tells me that internal surfaces may not be the prime concern.

As far as Colorado’s future regarding the little bugers; I am starting to believe the theory out there that because of the phosphate levels in higher altitude lakes, mussels may have trouble living in the Colorado lakes, with possible exception of eastern CO. I know of three CO lakes that have shown evidence of viligers (sp?) but eventually tested negative after a few years.
 
Randy Helzer said:
As far as Colorado’s future regarding the little bugers; I am starting to believe the theory out there that because of the phosphate levels in higher altitude lakes, mussels may have trouble living in the Colorado lakes, with possible exception of eastern CO. I know of three CO lakes that have shown evidence of viligers (sp?) but eventually tested negative after a few years.
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It is calcium that can be limiting element. Unfortunately, the areas that have ultra-low calcium (water hardness) are pretty limited to high elevation, granitic systems. So while there are likely some ultra-low TDS mountain lakes that will resist the mussels in CO, most will not.....
 
Thanks Darodo, I stand corrected. Have you heard of any other reason why both Pueblo Res and Green Mountain went negative after previously testing positive?
 
Just speculating...I believe the threshold for Calcium is around 10 ppm. I do not know the chemistry of these reservoirs.

A quick google search says they found them in 2017 in Green Mountain. I take it they did not find them in 2018? I know in Lake Powell they found a few velligers in samples years ago, but later samples came up negative. But we know how that worked out....
 
Ryan said:
Not saying that is impossible, but to do that you would need boat ramps at every lake to be policed 24 hours a day.

But we are not too far from at least having the beginning of that. Most places I have been over the last year now have a hand-held device where they record boat registrations when they enter/leave the lake. Colorado and Wyoming are reciprocal, and I was told that the Rangers at Powell would be included by the end of last year.
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I think if you're launching at night, the parks could pretty easily require incoming boats to get their passport "stamped" by the owner at the main gate or station. Then they get re-checked at takeout, or randomly on the water during normal hours.

If you are on the water or taking out and didn't get stamped or decontaminated (if needed) before launching, you're in deep water.
 
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Meeting tonight if anyone is interested.

We need your help! Standley lake has been shut down to boating! There is a meeting coming up April 2nd and we need your voice & presence to help us all keep this beautiful lake open to the thousands of boaters and their families!

WHY: AIS in the state of Colorado is a big issue. Certain protocols have been established throughout the state to prevent the spread of Aquatic Invasive Species. To ignore or try and circumvent these protocols is punishable by severe fines. One would think the city would make an example of some of these knuckleheads rather than shut down the entire lake. Instead, the City has said enough and is closing the lake to all trailer boats. We MUST ask that you take the time and show up to this meeting to voice your concerns. If you don’t, you will lose this lake.

WHO: All Trailer boats in and around Standley Lake in Westminster/Denver, CO
WHAT: The City of Westminster has decided to shut down all trailer boats to that lake due to concerns over Aquatic Invasive Species. We are being told that boaters are ignoring AIS protocol, so the City has decided to just shut it down.

WHERE: City Park Recreation Center
10455 Sheridan Blvd
City of Westminster, 80031

WHEN: April 2nd, 2019. 6-7:30 pm
 
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