With new monuments in Nevada, Utah, Obama adds to his environmental legacy

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Control of our lands should be managed by those closest to the land that treasure what we have! The USFS, BLM, NPS, and Yes, the Dep'ts of Ag, Int, etc, are out of control government bureaucracies run by Washington DC insiders and ecowacko nutcases that are on a power trip to increase their power, and have absolutely no clue about the real world! I am going to hazard a guess that none if the rulers of these disasters has ever set foot in Flyover Country. (the 3000+ counties that voted for Trump vs. the 76 counties that voted for Hillary) The USFS has destroyed our forests, The BLM is destroying our grazing lands! The USFWS is another disaster!
 
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Land is best managed by those closest to it. Most of the people making decisions about our land use in the West are not doing it out of love of our lands, but to appease their largest donors - the environmental movement.

Case in point is the Colorado River here between Topoc and Havasu. Environmentalists decided the area should be wake free from the lake to the river above Needles. Their reasoning is since birds have taken up residence in the reeds that have grown up in that part of the river, due to silt build up over the years, the birds should be protected. The people who decided this do not live in the area or travel the river in this area and they ignored the residents as well as the city and others who fought this. Our hope is the new administration will see the folly and undo this needless and unwarranted regulation.

When they lowered Roosevelt Lake to increase the height of the dam a bird took up residence on the trees exposed at the lower level of the lake..... these birds migrate to the area every year from Mexico, have done so forever..... all they would do when the lake went back up was relocate to the trees they used to roost in at a higher elevation, but that was not good enough for the environmentalists, nope, we had to spend a fortune to have people manually move their nests from the lower trees to the higher trees before they could refill the lake.

Too many stories of this kind... even here on Havasu which is managed by the BLM, Army Corp of Engineers, State of Arizona, State of California and Lake Havasu City. Too many flies in the ointment. When they raised entry fees at Windsor launch ramp [State of AZ] boaters were furious at Lake Havasu City, our city had nothing to do with the fee increases, in fact the city maintains a free [and very busy] launch ramp on the island, but few visitors are aware of this, they just knew the annual pass was done away with and now it was $15 a day to launch on the weekend. BTW that is a rip off as this $15 does not include the use of one of the camp sites on the lake, that is another fee - and they do come around to collect - that is the BLM.

When there was a huge carp die off the summer of 2009 - it was the city who went out on the lake every morning and scoured campsites along the shores as well as out in the middle of the lake to collect the dead and dying fish - and trust me when it is 120 outside and there is dead fish everywhere - someone has to do it, but BLM or AZ State Parks nor State of California were anywhere to be seen... nope, the one entity w/o responsibility for the lake of the campsites was the entity cleaning up the mess.. Which is normally what happens. So yes, local control is better, much better... The dam is long paid for and makes money from power production... let the city control the lake and collect the fees, it would be much better-managed because there is someone to hold responsible instead of a faceless bureaucrat. In fact the city did for a while during the government shutdown and proved they could do it more efficiently in just a short time.
 
Awesome replies, thanks so much! I look forward to reading more responses in the coming days, particularly in regards to concrete, ready to implement solutions to land management issues.
 
A couple of posters on this thread have insuinated or stated that I should educate myself in regards to land management issues, particularly in respect to the Bears Ears and Gold Butte.

I am genuinely interested in hearing concrete suggestions and ideas on how these areas should be managed.

Should we abolish the NPS, USFS, BLM (for that matter, the Depts' of the Interior and Agriculture) and let states manage these areas? Should we let local communities manage these lands? Sell these properties to private individuals for casinos and ski resorts?

When is pointing an automatic weapon at a Federal LEO considered "patriotism" versus "terrorism"? (I'm thinking of the indigineous peoples who had their land taken away by the US government).

I am most curious in hearing thoughts on how we as a community or state or country take care of lands which are now under Federal control.

Thanks for posting!
Mother Nature 'manages' the land...government tries to 'manage' the people.
The 'land managers' have outgrown their purpose, so, yes, please let's lay them to rest. :)
The States have Code 4 jurisdiction (per the Eisenhower Report of 1963) over all of these lands...that hasn't changed, however, they make it so seemingly complicated.
Many of the federal leo's who work within the BLM & the FS are ex CIA, Border Patrol, FBI...they aren't your nice next door neighbor type leo. Why would that be? Our 2nd Amendment is to give us the power to protect ourselves from Tyranny...from an out of control government. Period. When the BLM put up a 1st Amendment Zone near the Bundy Ranch many, many people who had never considered themselves 'patriots' took a stand on the side of our Constitution. The BLM were killing the cattle, the life blood of the only family ranch left out of 52...the BLM started it. Patriots stopped it. So, who were the 'terrorists'?
Yes, the Natives were treated badly through the years...still are. As are the rest of us. How about the Chinese? The Japanese? The Irish? The blacks? This is the human condition....control the people through the resources, the land...so, are we going to watch history be replayed yet again?

What is it to anyone EXCEPT the locals what they do with the land? It is our house, our backyard...we get to live with the repercussions of our choices.
 
What offended me was watching government [BLM] helicopters running down cows and their newborn calves - and many died as a result. The entire thing was handled so badly and so blatantly.
 
Maybe, with the election of Donald Trump. these out of control federal thugocracies will be either reined in or shut down! Imagine the money saved if the EPA, DOE, DOEd and a few other unnecessary, unconstitutional bureaucracies disappeared!
 
Awesome replies, thanks so much! I look forward to reading more responses in the coming days, particularly in regards to concrete, ready to implement solutions to land management issues.
The Federal government has no concrete plans to manage these areas either. These areas have been just fine without government interference. So why the rush to have a plan? Seems a Red Herring. There is no need. The local people have been doing just fine without federal involvement. They have maintained these areas for generations.
 
The Federal government has no concrete plans to manage these areas either. These areas have been just fine without government interference. So why the rush to have a plan? Seems a Red Herring. There is no need. The local people have been doing just fine without federal involvement. They have maintained these areas for generations.
From what I understand Escalante National Monument gets very little management from the federal government. That explains why Hole In The Rock Road is in bad shape at times.
 
From what I understand Escalante National Monument gets very little management from the federal government. That explains why Hole In The Rock Road is in bad shape at times.

Which is what people don't understand, look at a major tourist attraction like Grand Canyon and the poor maintenance of facilities within the park and then think about how if these shining examples of our country are neglected or poorly managed [Aramark] how these more obscure monuments are cared for. Escalante was all about locking up the coal. Some of the cleanest coal in the world is there. But there was/is one more source of this clean coal - Indonesia. The Riady Group in Indonesia wanted to be the soul provider of clean coal to Mexico [which it was required to burn as part of NAFTA] so instead of Utah providing the coal and having the jobs - the area was locked up, no coal mining, and the coal contracts went to the Riady Group [in return for political payback]. I am not familiar enough with all the land now locked up for Bears Ears, but these decisions are not made w/o reason. 99% of the time these decisions are not made for altruistic reasons.
 
Which is what people don't understand, look at a major tourist attraction like Grand Canyon and the poor maintenance of facilities within the park and then think about how if these shining examples of our country are neglected or poorly managed [Aramark] how these more obscure monuments are cared for. Escalante was all about locking up the coal. Some of the cleanest coal in the world is there. But there was/is one more source of this clean coal - Indonesia. The Riady Group in Indonesia wanted to be the soul provider of clean coal to Mexico [which it was required to burn as part of NAFTA] so instead of Utah providing the coal and having the jobs - the area was locked up, no coal mining, and the coal contracts went to the Riady Group [in return for political payback]. I am not familiar enough with all the land now locked up for Bears Ears, but these decisions are not made w/o reason. 99% of the time these decisions are not made for altruistic reasons.
In the case of Clinton, it was probably about$$$$$ for the Clinton Crime Family Slush Fund (Clinton Global Initiative/ BHC Clinton Foundation) In Obama's case, it was definitely to fulfill his goal to bring the USA to it's knees.
 
Which is what people don't understand, look at a major tourist attraction like Grand Canyon and the poor maintenance of facilities within the park and then think about how if these shining examples of our country are neglected or poorly managed [Aramark] how these more obscure monuments are cared for. Escalante was all about locking up the coal. Some of the cleanest coal in the world is there. But there was/is one more source of this clean coal - Indonesia. The Riady Group in Indonesia wanted to be the soul provider of clean coal to Mexico [which it was required to burn as part of NAFTA] so instead of Utah providing the coal and having the jobs - the area was locked up, no coal mining, and the coal contracts went to the Riady Group [in return for political payback]. I am not familiar enough with all the land now locked up for Bears Ears, but these decisions are not made w/o reason. 99% of the time these decisions are not made for altruistic reasons.
I think you're narrowing in on the truth of the matter, in the case of the Bears Ears Monument the mineral in question is Uranium. Until the prices dropped a few years ago there were at least 2 active mines(that I know of) within the confines of the recently created Monument. In addition, the only active uranium mill, the Red Mesa mill, is located but not currently operating, outside of Blanding, UT. The mill operated for about a year after the mines shut down in order to process the stockpile of ore that had already been hauled. We currently have 3-5 mines ready to resume operations in Southwestern Colorado if prices increase, but thanks to the Monument Designation the mines with closest proximity to the mill will not be allowed to reopen(I assume). In addition, there were some grumblings from the Navajo tribe about air quality around the mill, so even that may prove difficult to reopen, as it seems protesting has become the latest fad across the nation. My father did a lot of Uranium exploration in the 50's in the Colorado River Canyon, and the area around Hite, and Fry Canyon as well as uranium mining from the sixties until about 1975, when he and my mother bought a farm near the Colorado/Utah border. No one asked us if we wanted a Monument(I did sign a petition against it, for all the good it did), nor did they ask our good friend Sandy Johnson whose winter ranch is in Fry Canyon, all of his grazing permits are within the Monument (both summer and winter allotments). He has been assured that there will be no change to management of the land, but that in and of itself begs the question, "Why designate a Monument if management isn't going to change?"
 
Which is what people don't understand, look at a major tourist attraction like Grand Canyon and the poor maintenance of facilities within the park and then think about how if these shining examples of our country are neglected or poorly managed [Aramark] how these more obscure monuments are cared for. Escalante was all about locking up the coal. Some of the cleanest coal in the world is there. But there was/is one more source of this clean coal - Indonesia. The Riady Group in Indonesia wanted to be the soul provider of clean coal to Mexico [which it was required to burn as part of NAFTA] so instead of Utah providing the coal and having the jobs - the area was locked up, no coal mining, and the coal contracts went to the Riady Group [in return for political payback]. I am not familiar enough with all the land now locked up for Bears Ears, but these decisions are not made w/o reason. 99% of the time these decisions are not made for altruistic reasons.
I do remember that coal was the main focus back then.
 
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