Utah Oversized Load Permit ??

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Hi,
Wondering if anyone has experience with this. The new boat (to me) has a beam of 9'6".
From my research I am thinking I need an oversize load permit, but all of the information I am finding is under the Motor Carrier section of the UDOT website. I don't think I qualify as a Motor Carrier. I also concluded that an Oversize Load banner and flags are not required unless it is over 10" wide. Anyone know the real answer?
Thanks
Rob
 
Hi,
Wondering if anyone has experience with this. The new boat (to me) has a beam of 9'6".
From my research I am thinking I need an oversize load permit, but all of the information I am finding is under the Motor Carrier section of the UDOT website. I don't think I qualify as a Motor Carrier. I also concluded that an Oversize Load banner and flags are not required unless it is over 10" wide. Anyone know the real answer?
Thanks
Rob
I'd contact highway patrol....specifically the commercial enforcement and ask them. I think for width you may need banners and that's it. I can tell you for length in Utah anything over 65' needs a special permit. The permit then allows you to tow up to 95' and will set you back $90. I tow my boat behind my travel trailer 3-4 times a year and am close to the 95' length. I've never been pulled over but I have a current permit with me regardless.
 
Last year one agency was planted near Greenehaven on 89 for a few days stopping wide loads into AZ going to Stateline without papers or markings, just private owners towing their own boats. I heard it was 8' 6" max without but that's just grapevine stuff. Might check AZ rules also. AZ DOT at the top of the hill above the south entrance.
 
Assuming you’re launching at the North end? If you’re launching at the South end, you’ll need to know ADOT requirements as well.

ADOT and UDOT appear to have similar oversize load definitions, 8’6” wide x 14’ tall is legal...anything outside these dimensions requires oversize permit.


UDOT website shows a permit for your boat would be $60 for a 6 month permit.

I’m not familiar with UDOT requirements but for comparison...in Arizona I pull a 12’ wide houseboat weighing 25,000 lbs (including gooseneck trailer). Overall length with tow vehicle is 65’ with a height of 14’5”. Red flags required at each corner of the load and oversize load banners at front of tow vehicle and rear of load. Since 12’ meets the upper limit, an escort is not required.

Permit cost is $30 for a 30 day permit. ADOT website permit process initially can be a challenge but once a permit is ordered the 1st time, subsequent permits are easy as your information is stored and easily copied to create new permit requests.

In Arizona, a permit is required regardless of commercial or private status. No special drivers license requirement for private towing.

Visting the ADOT Port of Entry near Page was a big help. With a few questions about my boat and tow vehicle dimensions, they clarified everything and assisted with the initial online permit request process.
 
Gents,
Thanks for the responses. I am more than willing to pay the appropriate fee for an oversize permit. I just like to know the rules and comply. Here area few interesting quotes from the code:
R909-2-1. Purpose and Applicability.
The purpose of this rule is to protect and preserve Utah's highway infrastructure, enhance safety, and facilitate commerce. All commercial motor vehicle operators, and motor carriers engaged in the movement of over dimensional and overweight vehicles and loads must comply with permit conditions as specified in the Utah Size and Weight rule. These conditions apply to all over dimensional vehicles and loads.

Technically those of us towing a boat not for hire are NOT Motor Carriers, but they include us with the last sentence.

R909-2-20. Oversize Non-Divisible Load Lighting, Signing and Flag Requirements.
33) "Non-divisible" any load or vehicle exceeding applicable length, width, or height or weight limits which, if separated into smaller loads or vehicles would:
(a) compromise the intended use of the load or vehicle;
(b) destroy the value of the load or vehicle; or
(c) require more than eight work hours to dismantle using appropriate equipment.

(1) Oversize non-divisible load lighting:
(a) warning lights required when headlights are necessary;
(b) front overhang of more than three feet shall be marked with a steady, amber marker light and red flag;
(c) rear overhang exceeding four feet shall be marked with red clearance lights for night travel;
(d) vehicles with front or rear overhang exceeding 20 feet from the front or rear bumper of a vehicle, or from the center of the closest axle in the absence of a bumper, a rotating or flashing beacon visible from a minimum of 500 feet, and shall be displayed at a minimum height of four feet above ground;
(e) tow vehicle headlights shall be operated on low beam, day or night, as an additional warning to traffic; and
(f) night time travel, when authorized by the division may be permitted with marker lights indicating extreme width using amber lights front and center, and red lights to the rear.
(2) Oversize non-divisible load sign requirements. Non-divisible oversize loads exceeding 10 feet in width, 14 feet 6 inches in height and 105 feet in length shall display an "OVERSIZE LOAD" sign, to warn the motoring public that extra-large vehicles are in operation. Signs must:
(a) be 7 feet by 18 inches;
(b) have a yellow background with 10-inch-high black letters that are painted with 1 5/8 inches wide stroke to read: "OVERSIZE LOAD";
(c) be impervious to moisture;
(d) have front signs mounted on front bumper or on top of vehicle cab with letters presented toward the front of the vehicle;
(e) have rear signs positioned at the rear most part of the Vehicle or load as feasible, ensuring in all cases that the load does not obstruct the view of the sign;
(f) if possible, have the bottom edge of the sign be positioned not more than 5 feet above the road surface;
(g) be mounted with adequate supporting anchorage, constructed, maintained, and displayed so that they are always clearly legible;
(h) be covered, removed or placed face down when the vehicle is not engaged in an oversize movement; and
(i) oversize loads signs are not required on LCVs.
(3) Oversize non-divisible load flag requirements. Red or orange flags must be affixed on all extremities when:
(a) vehicle or load exceeds 10 feet in width;
(b) loads on a vehicle exceeding three feet to the front or four feet to the rear of the bed or body while in operation;
(c) flags shall be completely clean and not torn, faded, or worn out and shall be fastened to wave freely; and
(d) over dimensional flagging is not required on LCVs.
(4) Tow trucks that exceed 120 feet in length are required to:
(a) display one sign on rear most of towed vehicle.
(i) the sign must have a yellow background with 10 inch high black letters that are painted with 1 5/8 inches wide stroke to read: "IN-TOW LONG LOAD"; and
(ii) be 4 feet by 2 feet minimum.

My interpretation of this section tells me that an Oversize Load banner is not required for under 10' wide.

I'm going to call tomorrow and get the interpretation of the authorities, but I find in many cases they don't even know.

My plan until someone tells me different is to purchase an Oversize load permit to cover myself in the event of an accident insurance wise and because it's the right thing to do, but I do not intend to put the Oversize Load banner and flagging

Thanks All
 
To make it simple if you are on the north end of the lake in Utah. I'm not sure about AZ.
1. Over 10' wide but less than 12' needs oversize load signage
2. 12' to 14' Needs a state oversize permit and a pilot car service on all secondary roads. This doesn't apply to a 9'6" beam
3. 14'+ needs special permitting and transporting restrictions, and pilot car services of more than one car. This also doesn't apply to a 9'6" beam.

Simply said, 9'6" wide, you are legal with signage alone and no permit unless you go over 14' tall. I see them pass my place on a regular basis. you'll be fine. ;)
 
Hmm
This contradicts everything in the code.
The confusion continues.
Thank you for the response however.
 
Hmm
This contradicts everything in the code.
The confusion continues.
Thank you for the response however.

Per UDOT website, over 8’6” wide requires permit.

Whether UDOT is up there to regularly enforce it up at the north end of the lake is another story.
 
I see boats come past all the time that are at your beam width and even have one here in storage and I would bet good money on it that none of them have the oversize permit nor do they stop at the port of entry if they are coming over from Colorado (which is where the one in my storage is from).
If a permit is required over the 8'6", then there are a lot of boaters breaking the law but Utah isn't collecting in on the revenue as the police or DOT is not stopping them for inspection.
Me personally have come across the state line at 10' wide with signage/lighting only (no permit) and the only thing they noted that was wrong was I was displaying the wrong side of the banner. It was supposed to be "over width" instead of "over size".
If you want true answers instead of peoples interpretations of the law, all your questions can be answered by calling the Utah State Patrol and their number is 801-366-6040.
 
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