Powell Museum closing

HI all,
Yes, it is a sad situation. I served on the Board of the Glen Canyon Conservancy for the past 5 years, while the organization was trying to keep it open and running. It is incredibly expensive to run a museum. The GCC exists to fund projects at GCNRA when funding from DC is not forthcoming. The GCC did not originally have control over the museum, but it came to that when the Glen Canyon Natural History Association was dissolved. Here is a link better explaining the WHY the museum and the building are being sold:

Powell Museum & Archives | Glen Canyon

Tiff
 
Tiff Mapel said:
HI all,
Yes, it is a sad situation. I served on the Board of the Glen Canyon Conservancy for the past 5 years, while the organization was trying to keep it open and running. It is incredibly expensive to run a museum. The GCC exists to fund projects at GCNRA when funding from DC is not forthcoming. The GCC did not originally have control over the museum, but it came to that when the Glen Canyon Natural History Association was dissolved. Here is a link better explaining the WHY the museum and the building are being sold:

Powell Museum & Archives | Glen Canyon

Tiff
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Sad deal, I think the City was also contributing but stopped their patronage too about 5 years ago, I was at the City Council meeting when they voted on that having other business in front of them.

It also goes hand in hand with problems Page has in that tourists only typically stay one night in town. Millions come through but not very many find a reason to linger. Tourism is coming back but as I see it not to the tempo it was pre covid. Before then there were lots of tourists running around the streets at night with nothing to do, you’d see huge packs of them out at night walking about.

Then there were the City’s plan to use the side streets off of Powell Blvd and try to make it more pedestrian with fingers off of Powell Blvd with thriving shops, galleries, restaurants and bars there. If they would redo streets, add landscaping and lighting like many other cities who revitalize slow or dying downtown’s their plans could work.

Closing the museums and Conservancy shop does not help with this plan to help tourists stick around and no one is really interested in a culturally bereft 60 years old “company town” that closes at 6:00 pm. So they stay one night, buy a plate of IMO mediocre BBQ for $50 with a loud country band banging away in the back ground and move on quickly to Zion or Bryce. (That’s American, right? And that is their impression of Page.) I’m sure we could do better.

If they would redo museums and if the conservancy were open at night and were more gallery like they could have told a story but they couldn’t do it alone. It’s just too bad that the City wouldn’t support them more with some of the new found fat cash they take in from tolls at Horse Shoe Bend. I think it’s short sighted but not to worry, now we get a big Data Center next to Horse Shoe Bend to gobble up Water and power. (Two things that may be in short supply soon) Go City of Page, you guys are doing great! (Sarcasm)

And Tiff, thank you for your efforts with the Conservancy. I’m on a non profit board too and it takes time and effort. I feel like the Conservancy and the Museum were/are important and were worthy of your time. I wish it had turned out differently. I’m going to miss seeing the old model from the Carl Hayden Visitirs Center of the canyons and Lake Powell that you guys saved and had on display. It’s from my childhood, I first saw it in1974. I’d stop in the Conservancy and buy things I’d give as gifts to support you guys and to visit the amazing old model, I saw it 100 times at the visitors center, it’s awesome, it’s been seen by millions of people.

The Big Relief Map (U.S. National Park Service)

The Big Relief Map
www.nps.gov www.nps.gov
 
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Marina Bum said:
Sad deal, I think the City was also contributing but stopped there patronage too about 5 years ago, I was at the City Council meeting when they voted on that having other business in front of them.

It also goes hand in hand with problems Page has in that tourists only typically stay one night in town. Millions come through but not very many find a reason to linger. Tourism is coming back but as I see it not to the tempo it was pre covid. Then there were lots of tourists running around the streets at night with nothing to do, you’d see huge packs of them out at night with nothing to do.

Then there were City’s plan is to create side streets off of Powell Blvd and try to make it more pedestrian and with fingers off of Powell Blvd with thriving shops, galleries, restaurants and bars. If they would redo streets, add landscaping and lighting like many other cities their plan could work.

Closing the museums and Conservancy shop dies not help with this plan to help tourists stick around and no one is really interested in a culturally Bleekers 60 years ago old company town. So they stay one night, buy a plate of IMO mediocre BBQ for $50 and move on quickly to Zion or Bryce.

If they would redo museums and if the conservancy were open at night and were more gallery like they could have told a story but they couldn’t do it alone. It’s just to bad that the City wouldn’t support them more with some of the fat cash they take in from tolls at Horse Shoe Bend. I think it’s short sighted but not to worry, now we get a big Data Center next to Horse Show Bend to gobble up Water and power. (Two things that may be in short supply soon) Go City of Page, you guys are doing great! (Sarcasm)
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That data center is a bad idea
 
Tiff Mapel said:
HI all,
Yes, it is a sad situation. I served on the Board of the Glen Canyon Conservancy for the past 5 years, while the organization was trying to keep it open and running. It is incredibly expensive to run a museum. The GCC exists to fund projects at GCNRA when funding from DC is not forthcoming. The GCC did not originally have control over the museum, but it came to that when the Glen Canyon Natural History Association was dissolved. Here is a link better explaining the WHY the museum and the building are being sold:

Powell Museum & Archives | Glen Canyon

Tiff
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mucho....MUCHO for posting this link... 🙏 (y) OMG, the photos, and the history*, are PRICELESS!

Gotta love it! Hope they can at least keep this website open!

* as Bill always says: "Those who don't study history, are bound to repeat it"

what a WW sage!

:cool:
 
Marina Bum said:
Sad deal, I think the City was also contributing but stopped their patronage too about 5 years ago, I was at the City Council meeting when they voted on that having other business in front of them.

It also goes hand in hand with problems Page has in that tourists only typically stay one night in town. Millions come through but not very many find a reason to linger. Tourism is coming back but as I see it not to the tempo it was pre covid. Before then there were lots of tourists running around the streets at night with nothing to do, you’d see huge packs of them out at night walking about.

Then there were the City’s plan to use the side streets off of Powell Blvd and try to make it more pedestrian with fingers off of Powell Blvd with thriving shops, galleries, restaurants and bars there. If they would redo streets, add landscaping and lighting like many other cities who revitalize slow or dying downtown’s their plans could work.

Closing the museums and Conservancy shop does not help with this plan to help tourists stick around and no one is really interested in a culturally bereft 60 years old “company town” that closes at 6:00 pm. So they stay one night, buy a plate of IMO mediocre BBQ for $50 with a loud country band banging away in the back ground and move on quickly to Zion or Bryce. (That’s American, right? And that is their impression of Page.) I’m sure we could do better.

If they would redo museums and if the conservancy were open at night and were more gallery like they could have told a story but they couldn’t do it alone. It’s just too bad that the City wouldn’t support them more with some of the new found fat cash they take in from tolls at Horse Shoe Bend. I think it’s short sighted but not to worry, now we get a big Data Center next to Horse Shoe Bend to gobble up Water and power. (Two things that may be in short supply soon) Go City of Page, you guys are doing great! (Sarcasm)

And Tiff, thank you for your efforts with the Conservancy. I’m on a non profit board too and it takes time and effort. I feel like the Conservancy and the Museum were/are important and were worthy of your time. I wish it had turned out differently. I’m going to miss seeing the old model from the Carl Hayden Visitirs Center of the canyons and Lake Powell that you guys saved and had on display. It’s from my childhood, I first saw it in1974. I’d stop in the Conservancy and buy things I’d give as gifts to support you guys and to visit the amazing old model, I saw it 100 times at the visitors center, it’s amazing.

The Big Relief Map (U.S. National Park Service)

The Big Relief Map
www.nps.gov www.nps.gov
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The relief map is a treasure and needs to be protected for future display. I can't imagine that they removed it from the Hayden Visitor Center; it was probably the best instructional tool for our thousands of visitors who "just didn't get it" and then looked at it and GOT IT! A picture tells a thousand words.
 
Bill Sampson said:
That data center is a bad idea
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As a quick follow up to my post, I drove to the Lake from Prescott Valley yesterday. There are a series i
Of small signs next to the highway saying “No Data Center” so there is some pushback from the locals. Later in the day I was at the Antelope Point public ramp. The trail down to launch kayaks is challenging
 
It would be quite a ........relief...... :cool: .......if that map could go back into the visitor's center.....🙏

Do any of you folks who live near Page thinks that's a possibility? It's really amazing and what it teaches kids about everything...esp 'being objective' and thinking BIG..... is priceless.....IMHO....

At the visitor center website....https://www.nps.gov/glca/planyourvisit/visitorcenters.htm

it says:

"Our partners Glen Canyon Conservancy offer the historic big relief map that originally anchored the Carl Hayden Visitor Center."

Love the term....'anchored' .....and not 'pinned'..... (y):cool:

Was thinking of calling the visitor center and asking if the 'map move' was already planned....unless Wordlings have a better idea? :unsure:
 
Rainbowbridge said:
It would be quite a ........relief...... :cool: .......if that map could go back into the visitor's center.....🙏

Do any of you folks who live near Page thinks that's a possibility? It's really amazing and what it teaches kids about everything...esp 'being objective' and thinking BIG..... is priceless.....IMHO....

At the visitor center website....https://www.nps.gov/glca/planyourvisit/visitorcenters.htm

it says:

"Our partners Glen Canyon Conservancy offer the historic big relief map that originally anchored the Carl Hayden Visitor Center."

Love the term....'anchored' .....and not 'pinned'..... (y):cool:

Was thinking of calling the visitor center and asking if the 'map move' was already planned....unless Wordlings have a better idea? :unsure:
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I’d love to see that happen. It’s been a few years since I stopped in the the Carl Hayden Visitors Center which may be referred to now as the information or interpretive center. With it being closed for something like 3 years over covid didn’t help me get in there either. I like your idea of getting the model back in there; it’s been restored from all the hits it took over the years.

Last time I stopped in there were subtle changes; the displays and movies playing declaring the dam a triumph were gone. To me the focus was kind of on the region and its natural flora and fona, its indigenous people and its clean power production. Nothing about the achievement it was or the people who sacrificed, some even their lives, to make it happen. I don’t know what the focus is now, that was a few administrators ago.

I took my son on the tour of the dam back then which was hard to get on and we had to make an appointment and show ID. Gone were the days of jumping on the elevator on your way by if there was room.

While on the tour some guy was spouting off about what a crime the dam was and asking the guide to weigh in on the controversy who then gave some kind of personal impact victim statement. It was weird to say the least. Of course I had a lot to say but kept my mouth shut not wanting to make it even weirder for the tourists. Based on that I’m not sure the folks in charge of the narrative there are out to really show the great human success and engineering achievement Glen Canyon Dam represents but I could be wrong. The map only highlights it as an achievement; that’s why it was built. Personally I’d love to see it back there.

If you need any help with any chance we have of getting the map back in there please reach out
 
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Bill Sampson said:
As a quick follow up to my post, I drove to the Lake from Prescott Valley yesterday. There are a series i
Of small signs next to the highway saying “No Data Center” so there is some pushback from the locals. Later in the day I was at the Antelope Point public ramp. The trail down to launch kayaks is challenging
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Most intelligent people realize that with the current state of electric brownouts in the nation , data centers are going to greatly increase those brownouts. The public is overwhelmingly against that euse of electricity. Data use that is going to drive up the value And therefore the cost of electricity. The data Centers come Non disclosure Agreements signed so that the people have no idea what is going on until the politicians have basically agreed to the data centers wishes. There is too much money in these data centers to believe that palms are not being greased to slide them through at the detriment of everyone with an electric meter.
 
Marina Bum said:
While on the tour some guy was spouting off about what a crime the dam was and asking the guide to weigh in on the controversy who then gave some kind of personal impact victim statement. It was weird to say the least. Of course I had a lot to say but kept my mouth shut
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This is why you are smart enough.....and still are..... invited to parties.......and I am not....... 😜
 
mobilerat said:
Most intelligent people realize that with the current state of electric brownouts in the nation , data centers are going to greatly increase those brownouts. The public is overwhelmingly against that euse of electricity. Data use that is going to drive up the value And therefore the cost of electricity. The data Centers come Non disclosure Agreements signed so that the people have no idea what is going on until the politicians have basically agreed to the data centers wishes. There is too much money in these data centers to believe that palms are not being greased to slide them through at the detriment of everyone with an electric meter.
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I was reading that the power company in Nevada said that the data centers being built in the state will require more power then Las Vegas. Now that's saying something
 
Bill Sampson said:
I was reading that the power company in Nevada said that the data centers being built in the state will require more power then Las Vegas. Now that's saying something
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And Bill, remember these data centers are only built to have a library..... for eternity..... to house/honor your puns and numerous comments about red heads.............."Now that's saying something".......

:rolleyes: 😜
 
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