Letter to Utah Senators on Dangling Rope Marina

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Well, at the current rate of lake level drop, if there's an arch there, we'll know by mid September. And, as luck would have it, I'll be back on the lake then.

So, if there's structure there, it'll be fairly obvious as a whale, close enough to the surface to be scary. If it is an anomaly, that'll be verifiable by then. Who knows, maybe an old breakwater made of tires is lurking down there.

I hope it is an anomaly. That'll sure make extending the Dangling Rope marina a whole lot less complicated. Less complicated is a good thing.

Thanks for your help guys! Now I'm REALLY curious to run up there in about 10 weeks, and check it out for myself.
 
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I went to DR in the middle of June to see the damage to the docks with my own eyes and to look for the underwater obstruction with my chart plotter.
The water depth in the marina was 80’ and the water depth over the “arch” was in the high 50s at the deepest part I could find.

I posted this earlier. I concluded there must be a narrow slot canyon that prevented my transducer from seeing the actual creek bed. If the canyon gets narrow like that it’s problematic.

someone else posted a rockslide could have happened since the lake filled.
 
That shallow area is about where they had a floating breakwater for a while. If it were a natural bridge, it would have required a stream meander that was later cut through. There is a possibility of an underwater rockfall / landslide in the area, but that should have left some scars on the side of the canyon.

I'm a little suspicious of some of the bottom contours from Navionics, although I've been looking at the free online charts, not the subscription version with data from soundings. The Wahweap Narrows have a bunch of deep holes that could not possibly be created by erosion. Perhaps there are extra cofferdams and massive fills that were emplaced during the dam construction, but I think it's more likely that their data is not quite correct, especially in areas with deep, narrow underwater canyons.
 
Looking at my fish-n-map,I don't see any shallow area. I would post a screenshot but it states any reproduction is illegal.
 
A quick fix is a poor choice, from the standpoint of liability and future proofing.

Yes, securing the gas dock would be a step toward getting fuel to the public. But spending NPS resources now will do no good when the water level drops far enough to potentially leave the Dangling Rope gas docks inaccessible by next spring. Extending the marina into deeper water will future proof a valuable resource, and spending the money twice is not the best use of limited funds. Yes, a quick fix is possible, but who can guarantee that another big wind won't tear up a quicky fix again next week?

We feel for your frustration, but in the big picture, we'd all be better off if they fixed it one time, and did it correctly. Power needs to be connected, and plumbing for the black water pump out needs to be run up the hill, and both of these need to be extended into deeper water in order to be usable next year. Both of these are jobs that we'd all prefer they didn't rush. Park visitors will be better served if the long term concerns are addressed properly.

The whole Dangling Rope marina needs to be reengineered to upgrade its structural integrity at a new location in deeper water. That might even involve relocating to a new canyon.

We all look forward to our Powell trips. They are big efforts. Yes, your deposits were paid in full one year ago. Those of us who own our houseboats, runabouts, and PWCs are worse off than you are. We paid our LLC fees before the start of the season, plus deposits to our marinas. Our insurance companies aren't going to give us back our premiums if our plans are changed. Our houseboats can't be retrieved on improvised ramps, or launched next year with water levels beyond the reach of ANY ramp on the lake. But we're in it for the long haul.

Contact your credit card company, and start the process to dispute the charges for your reservations. Or, come up with plan "B". Figure out how to carry more fuel. Adapt.

There are no guarantees in this life, or on this lake. Being upset does little to improve a situation that is beyond what any of us has the ability to immediately control. We value our trips enough to dig deep and find solutions for problems that aren't just our own. We'll enjoy our September trip even more, because the adversity of a closed marina will keep many less resourceful folks off the water.
Let me be clear, we aren't looking to cancel our houseboat reservation. As it is any time you go to Powell with 3 houseboats and 36 people, (again, this is our 5th time) you have to go with the flow, and the DR Marina situation is no exception. My problem is the restriction to not go past Padre Bay, and not finding out about that restriction until you show up at the Captain's meeting on your day of departure. (I only know that because of another family member who just came back last week). I'm sorry, but that late disclosure sucks no matter how you want to spin it.

Of course, we'll deal with it, and ultimately have a good time, my point is that there should be more disclosure to us renters, so we can make decisions and adjustments with intelligence. WHY is there not more communication? That is the question. Can anyone answer that? As the organizer of 36 people who have planned this trip for 18 months, with nearly $25,000 in rented houseboats, ski boats, and jet ski fees, do I not have a reason to expect more disclosure when our access to the lake is cut in half well beyond our cancellation date, and the rental company chooses not to tell us until we show up??

I appreciate the negative impact this has on you houseboat owners. You are so deeply invested in the lake that you absolutely have no choice but to take it on the chin, but on the bright side, this is truly a "temporary" situation for you. You may have another week scheduled later in the year, or next year, and the following year, which arguably makes the temporary adjustment a bit more palatable.

In response to JFRCalifornia, as for the option to cancel, 90 days from now would have been April 12, more than a month before the wind event that knocked out the marina, so that truly is not an option, not to mention 36 people committed to the trip with vacation time off work, etc. etc. Yes, it's possible to cancel via credit card if you want to fight it, and I'm pretty sure even a "nicely asked request of the rental company would be rejected if there was a swell of those requests coming in. So for us, while cancellation is an easy reaction suggestion, it's not really practical.
Again, I appreciate the commentary. If nothing else, I'm happy to see some dialogue on the closure since there was not much on WW, or anywhere else for that matter, previously. Ultimately, I'm simply exercising the right to express my opinion and frustration publicly, and for the record, this was simply a copy of the formal note I sent to both senators, not an attempt to reach Mr. Romney and Lee via Wayne's Words, although if they aren't subscribers to WW, they should be, lol. Thanks again to everyone for their contribution to this thread.
 
In response to JFRCalifornia, as for the option to cancel, 90 days from now would have been April 12, more than a month before the wind event that knocked out the marina, so that truly is not an option, not to mention 36 people committed to the trip with vacation time off work, etc. etc.
Fair enough.

And yes, no question, much better communication of the issues at hand in real time from Aramark and NPS is needed, especially with all the dollars and coordination issues at stake.

As for the Padre Bay "restriction", it's a recommendation, not a restriction, to avoid having unprepared boaters running out of gas. If you have enough gas and know the range of your boats, you can get past Padre Bay...

That said, this warning should be placed on the homepage for the boat rentals out of Wahweap and Antelope Point, so people can better decide what to do before they book....
 
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I will say the following with a few caveats. DR being closed doesn’t really affect me. We go maybe once a year, maybe. For my profession I have to, at times deal with giving people bad news related to vacation plans. In my view where the park service/Aramark is lacking is the communication. If the falling lake levels have occurred faster than planned and so they have had to alter the plan to prep for next year. Say that. If the plan has shifted towards keeping launch ramps open. Say that. If they have a best estimate of when DR will be open, say that. If it changes, update once known. I hate making the bad news announcement to people. But I’ve found time and time again if explained, people may not like it, but they understand. Additionally, it takes the pressure off your front line employees. I’m not mad it’s not open. I’m not critical how long it’s taken. But it appears that to some extent they(park service/Aramark) have a plan. Communicate it.
This is the trend with most thing. I think its called "Customer No Service", at least that have been my experience lately .
 
Dude, Make the best of it and Enjoy the Journey. Gas at Dangling rope is not as critical as you envision. Your houseboat will have enough gas to get you thru the 7 days as long as you dont plan on cruising for 6-8 hours a day. Find a beach and enjoy , you dont have travel every day. Now no Ice Cream is a deal breaker.
Ice cream, very important!
 
They haven't promised anything on an opening date. To assume anything else, is basically wishful thinking. And getting upset about it is.....pointless.

The closure has made my trips BETTER. There was only 3 houseboats, and almost zero waverunners in ALL of Rock Creek last trip, and I'm headed back up Thursday. Bring on the Waterfalls :cool:
 
They haven't promised anything on an opening date. To assume anything else, is basically wishful thinking. And getting upset about it is.....pointless.

The closure has made my trips BETTER. There was only 3 houseboats, and almost zero waverunners in ALL of Rock Creek last trip, and I'm headed back up Thursday. Bring on the Waterfalls :cool:
Haha. Thanks for your contributions. Using your words, your "opinions" are at least as...pointless...as mine. From your latest post, at least now we know where you're coming from. If I was a true Lake Bum, able to go the lake every week or so with a fishing agenda, perhaps I would welcome the houseboater hardships as well......Nah, I wouldn't. Karma is a B!

Also, regarding the relativity of "getting upset", it's safe to assume your fishin' trip this Thursday isn't costing you $25,000, or perhaps I shouldn't assume that either! Then again, maybe 25K is nothing to get upset about for the king of famous Wild Hare Baits?

Just pulling your chain! (in an admittedly overly defensive, passive aggressive way) 😎 Seriously, have fun up in Rock Creek Lake Bum. That's one of my favorite spots.
 
Well… its not everyday do I find myself agreeing with lake bum - a rare event for sure. But, with the gas pumps at DR closed there is a measurable drop in idiots in wake boats at mid lake, and this is VERY POSITIVE.

My vote is to leave DR closed - forever - allow mid lake to become a sanctuary for those wishing to escape the mayhem of the edges where the gas pumps run endlessly keeping the nuisance wake boats fueled.

Wake boats need to be restricted to open bays only and be forced to go wakeless in every side canyon. Wake drivers are unable to responsibly coexist with those seeking a peaceful camp. Last week in Gunsight there was a boat of idiots literally within 75 feet of the stern of every anchored houseboat at full plow - 100% jerk.

DR was built in an era where many boats carried less than 25 gallon of fuel - it served a purpose. Today, it is no longer needed to navigate the lake as anyone planning on end to end run probably has a 100 gallon tank or can do what we did for years - simply add a few red jugs - I did it for many years until I bout a tanker boat.

Keep DR CLOSED and keep the idiot wake boats away from this reclaimed peaceful area.
 
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