How did I miss this… WOW! Malibu surf boats company pays out $200 million in lawsuit -

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So you must have read the links and are familiar with this case? Since this “screams better boater education” to you, perhaps you could expand on exactly how/what it screams to you, and what type of boater education would have prevented this?
the Captain/operator is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on a vessel. That's where the buck stops.

That's the first part of boating education that my Dad pounded into me, from 1959 on. He also said 'know the limitations of your vessel, your passengers lives will depend on it.'

Over the past 20 years I've seen those two common sense educational dictates increasingly disappear from our lake.
 
the Captain/operator is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on a vessel. That's where the buck stops.

That's the first part of boating education that my Dad pounded into me, from 1959 on. He also said 'know the limitations of your vessel, your passengers lives will depend on it.'

Over the past 20 years I've seen those two common sense educational dictates increasingly disappear from our lake.
So you didn’t read anything about this particular case?

Your idiom holds little to no bearing in a court.
 
Unlikely. Again, READ THE CASE, and we could have a meaningful discussion, not quips and platitudes.
Like many, it’s a weird case. Malibu is 25% responsible, yet on the hook for huge money? Driver is on the hook, but not for money cause he doesn’t have any? Suing the manufacturer when your family member kills your kid is peak America.

I’m surprised it’s taken this long for a lawsuit. Thankfully, I think it means the assorted sinkings of wake boats I’ve observed at Powell didn’t involve fatalities. Yes, there was user error in the cases I observed, but, the design of the boats does not give sufficient margin for the average operator, in my opinion.
 
the design of the boats does not give sufficient margin for the average operator, in my opinion.
With due respect, I think you’re getting designs of boats confused. The boat in question was a Response. A direct drive ski boat (NOT wake boat, significant difference). Think old Stars and Stripes MasterCraft or the traditional Correct Craft ski tug. Small, light weight, no amenities, single axle trailer, probably weighs less than 2500 pounds, not the large, heavy V drive surf boats. Those (especially the new ones) have PLENTY of free board. They might not ride great in rough water but they are safe in about any condition an average lake will throw at them.

And I’ll never understand the magnitude of this verdict. From most reports, the driver was grossly negligent, intentionally hitting hard reverse causing the bow to submerge with horrific results.

If this was a simple property damage case there would have been no suit. Or at least I can’t imagine one happening. But with the absolute tragic loss of life things changed, and like mentioned before, they went after who has the deeper pockets.

I can’t imagine any “boating course” going over something that should be common sense - don’t intentionally stuff the bow of the boat.

And I’d argue hard it isn’t about product design. V drive and direct drive boats are inherently the safest for water sports - you don’t have a spinning prop hanging off the stern like you do in a sterndrive or outboard - it’s hidden underwater several feet forward of the stern - the only way you can hit it is if the boat RUNS OVER someone in the water.

Would Ranger/Lund/Sea Ray be sued if the driver backed into someone in the water and the obviously exposed prop came in contact with someone? I’ve been involved with amputees that lost limbs that way and can tell you there weren’t suits in the cases I have first hand knowledge of.
 
If I had posted this thread it would have been trashed by now as not pertaining to Lake Powel Recreation, Fishing or water guesses.

I don't care what type of boat it is. If it is purpose built for a closed course it should not be allowed on an open body of water.
 
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I come from some of the same situations Ryan is talking about. I've had both inboard and early V drive tow boats. I just sold my 2002 Centurion V drive. I'm not a surfer but I used to be a closed slalom ski course guy on a private lake and a sometimes competitor. (not a great one but I could do it) I have hundreds of hours behind the helm of tow boats pulling skiers.

I saw online that folks were using Centurions like mine for surfing by overloading them with ballast and people and attaching trim tab/plow type devices to drag huge waves (huge amounts of energy behind them) something they were not designed for. It looked very sketchy to me in the video because of the low freeboard. So even though I thought of trying it better judgment prevailed and since it rode like crap in the channel I sold it on two months ago. Making old V Drives into poor man surf boats looks sketch at best. People marvel why modern surf boat cost so much? Yeah there is profit in there for the makers but there is a lot going on in their design and size. Ryan is right, old competition boats were tiny and light. These new surf machines are behemoths, large, heavy and they have up to 700 hp. That's why my judgment was
"to not ta" Larry the Cable buy as Mader in Cars
 
FWIW, the topic and law suit really has nothing to do with the safety of a tow tug on Powell (free board, ability to withstand waves). But since it’s been brought up, a Response is no less suited for Powell than a bass boat, John boat, tiller, etc. Should those be restricted as well? Forced to re-design?

Sometimes there isn’t an easy answer. Regulation is rarely the solution. Personal responsibility and common sense come into play, but I’ve never seen a way for that to be taught in a course.
 
Unlikely. Again, READ THE CASE, and we could have a meaningful discussion, not quips and platitudes.
Ryan, I did read the case. And you and I are in agreement that the lawsuit is, as the McDonald's lawsuit was, absurd.

I'd bet the judgement will be appealed.

My point is that the boat didn't cut the 7 year old into little pieces.

The operator did.......because he was uneducated.

People fall off boats all the time. Responsible operators put the engine in neutral and assist the man overboard. No spinning props near peeps in the water.

Had the operator been educated to put the engine in neutral, until the situation was assessed, that little boy may be alive.

But my heart still breaks for the family......as mentioned. Was that an acceptable quip & platitude?

In closing, IMO, this lawsuit was filed to shift blame the off the uncle/operator: "See it was the boat, I didn't chop up my nephew" He doesn't want to take responsibility.......but he put that engine in reverse.

this is a dangerous slippery slope for boating safety, and operator education....
 
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