El Nino and Winter Outlook

ndscott50

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The developing 2026–27 El Niño is starting to look like something we may have not seen before.

The latest Niño 3.4 reading is around +2.7°C, which is a record value for August. Even more remarkable, NOAA data show the warmest subsurface water anomalies yet observed in the eastern equatorial Pacific, locally 10–11°C above normal at roughly 100 meters depth. That enormous reservoir of warm water is one reason models continue to intensify the event.

The model guidance updated August 19 is somewhat nuts. The latest forecasts are clustering around an El Niño that could peak above +3°C, with some guidance approaching +3.5°C. Earlier model analysis put the median near +3.6°C, roughly 0.8°C beyond the previous record on a comparable basis. Even NOAA's more conservative official forecast now gives a 69% chance of the relative ENSO index exceeding +2.5°C.

There has even been discussion of whether an event of the magnitude being modeled might be something on the order of a multi-century, potentially 600-year, event statistically. There are still a lot of questions about that but the the ocean and model guidance are moving well outside the range of El Niño events we have directly observed.

So what could this mean for Lake Powell?

A record El Niño does not guarantee a huge Upper Colorado snowpack. Historically, El Niño's strongest precipitation signal is farther south than many of Powell's most productive headwaters.

But the strength and location of this event make the Pacific storm track something to watch. If the enhanced subtropical jet repeatedly directs Pacific storms into California and the Southwest and then across the southern and central Rockies, the San Juans and southern Colorado River Basin could have an extremely productive winter. If that storm track occasionally migrates north into the central and northern headwaters as well, that's the setup where things could get really interesting for basin-wide snowpack and ultimately Powell inflow.

Conversely, if the jet locks too far south or persistent ridging develops over the interior West, a historically strong El Niño could still produce a fairly ordinary Powell runoff year.

We're still months away from knowing which way this goes. The tropical Pacific is currently doing things we haven't seen in the modern observational record, and given the condition of Lake Powell and the Colorado River system, the evolution of the Pacific jet this fall and winter is going to be really interesting to watch.
 
Wouldn’t it be something if Mother Nature knew what she was doing all along, and emptied our reservoirs because of all the water she’s about dump ;) (I sure hope so!)
I’m not sure we’ve been kind enough to her as a species in order for her to help us out like that. But, she’s not human so hopefully doesn’t hold a grudge!
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, so maybe we will go from one extreme to the next.

It will be interesting to watch it play out.

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
 
While I dream of lots of water for Powell, I want to be the Optimistic so bad.

I will say, the aquatic life that is off the coast of California is rare, Hammerhead sharks are being seen with Juvenile Great Whites...........very rare. For the fisherman, Wahoo off the coast is unheard of, why go to Cabo to fish...haha
 
Conversely, if the jet locks too far south or persistent ridging develops over the interior West, a historically strong El Niño could still produce a fairly ordinary Powell runoff year.
If Powell got just an ordinary runoff (13.7maf, based on the 1971-2026 average), that would be around 3maf more than has been used from the system in recent years. If half that excess was sent to Mead and half left in Powell (do we have any idea how they plan to manage the level of the two lakes going forward?), that would mean about a 30-foot rise for Powell - about where we were at this time last year.
 
I had always assumed there would be a strong correlation betwen El Niño and snow amounts (and hence inflow) but I remembered reading some comment a while ago that said there was no correlation. So given how easy it is to get AI to create visualizations I asked Grok to plot the following graph:
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A quick sanity check against individual years suggests this has been done properly (is a task that AI ought to be good at).
I then asked for a correlation visualizations:
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Grok helpfully thought of analyzing and plotting the lag correlation which shows the best fit coming with an 8 month lag.
So finally here the El Niño value vs inflow 8 months later:
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So I think the summary is there isn't much correlation and at best with a high RONI index you could expect to get ~3MAF extra (difference between RONI 0 and RONI 3) but only 8 months later - so maybe the second half of 2027?
Note this doesn't look at the effect of which season the high RONI values occur in - I assume the effect will differ for sommer months compared to winter months.

If you are interested in the query to Grok and it's analysis of the answers, I think this link should work (I don't know how long the data is kept, presumably the link will eventually stop working):

 
I had always assumed there would be a strong correlation betwen El Niño and snow amounts (and hence inflow) but I remembered reading some comment a while ago that said there was no correlation. So given how easy it is to get AI to create visualizations I asked Grok to plot the following graph:
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A quick sanity check against individual years suggests this has been done properly (is a task that AI ought to be good at).
I then asked for a correlation visualizations:
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Grok helpfully thought of analyzing and plotting the lag correlation which shows the best fit coming with an 8 month lag.
So finally here the El Niño value vs inflow 8 months later:
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So I think the summary is there isn't much correlation and at best with a high RONI index you could expect to get ~3MAF extra (difference between RONI 0 and RONI 3) but only 8 months later - so maybe the second half of 2027?
Note this doesn't look at the effect of which season the high RONI values occur in - I assume the effect will differ for sommer months compared to winter months.

If you are interested in the query to Grok and it's analysis of the answers, I think this link should work (I don't know how long the data is kept, presumably the link will eventually stop working):

Nice work. I agree with this.
 
I live in So Cal and we are experiencing ocean water temps that we haven't seen. We are going to get RAIN this fall and winter. It's coming. San Diego is going to get blasted by a trop storm this season for sure. Water down the baja peninsula is in the 80's. Friends of mine who are out Long Range Fishing out of San Diego are reporting water too hot for Wahoo. Seriously crazy.
The air temp is higher in the mornings at the beach then it is 20 miles inland. In the middle of summer. Unheard of and I've been here 64 years.
We are installing catch basins on my property to trap rainwater. I have a feeling that we will be having a very different conversation this time next season. I've been thru every el nino since the 70's. I am an old surfer, checking water temp, swell direction etc. my entire life. This one is going to be a Dosey!
 
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I live in So Cal and we are experiencing ocean water temps that we haven't seen. We are going to get RAIN this fall and winter. It's coming. San Diego is going to get blasted by a trop storm this season for sure. Water down the baja peninsula is in the 80's. Friends of mine who are out Long Range Fishing out of San Diego are reporting water too hot for Wahoo. Seriously crazy.
The air temp is higher in the mornings at the beach then it is 20 miles inland. In the middle of summer. Unheard of and I've been here 64 years.
We are installing catch basins on my property to trap rainwater. I have a feeling that we will be having a very different conversation this time next season. I've been thru every el nino since the 70's. I am an old surfer, checking water temp, swell direction etc. my entire life. This one is going to be a Dosey!
I hope you’re right. When SD gets pounded we get some great snow in south san juans—praying for snow!! ❄️
 
This... all this science is voodoo to me.. I think the winter and spring... most likely the spring, is going to be historic. I possess no data to support that other than a mere hunch.
The ground squirrels in the oak tree off my deck in Flagstaff are growing chubby working extra hard this year gathering up and stashing away the acorns. Signs like that or how bushy the horses tails are have long been predictors of winter for the locals here. Last year we had virtually no winter and the animals didn’t seem too concerned when fall came, my squirrels went into it seemingly kinda skinny.

I believe in the science too and someday we’ll figure out how the animals seem to know things even without satellites and graphs. Like how a family looses their dog in Yellow Stone and a year later she shows up on their porch in Florida or how a tiny Monarch Butterfly migrates thousand of miles back home to where it was born just before it dies. Or how animals get uneasy before an earthquake or how a service dog can be trained to warn an owner just before they have a seizure? Some people write that stuff off but it really seems miraculous and we might actually understand it in the next twenty years with advances in Super Computing mated with AI. Once that happens we might learn a lot more.
(As long as sky net doesn’t get us all first)

I was sad they stopped printing the Farmers Almanac last year, they claimed to be 85% reliable. I heard they made their predictions by secret methods involving things like cutting up caterpillars and worms and looking at the colors.
 
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