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Anyone ever try filling steel pontoons with 2 part foam?
Pour the liquid in and let it expand to fill the void

Truck bedliner sits outside in all kinds of weather all the time and doesn't seem to deteriorate.
Couldn't sell it to rednecks in the south if rain ruined it :)
It's been done and I couldn't recommend it. The foam traps any moisture intrusion inside the toon between the marine foam and steel and accelerates the rust. Then it makes welding patches and repairs difficult. In my opinion it's best to patch them, re shoe them or even have new toons made to keep them airtight as designed.
 
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Marina Bum, you (as usual) bring up a good point....

Are there examples of steel toons being replaced with aluminum ones?

Would it be cost effective? My car restoration buddies love putting in new disk brakes, suspension, etc on old car bods.....

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Marina Bum, you (as usual) bring up a good point....

Are there examples of steel toons being replaced with aluminum ones?

Would it be cost effective? My car restoration buddies love putting in new disk brakes, suspension, etc on old car bods.....

:unsure:
Thanks for the kind words, the old steel Pontoon Boats were cool but sadly they are disappearing, the newest of the type are over 30 years old and every year a few more give way to rust and decay. It's also been getting harder to insure them, many carriers don't offer insurance on steel boats any longer. I imagine that the carriers took too many losses.

Yes, you can have new pontoons built from steel, it's expensive. I've seen some made from Stainless Steel, that boat sits on maybe I Dock at Wahweap? I think it was for sale last year but they have a small fortune in its refit and even though it's very cool it might cost too much. Same way would go for aluminum toons, you'd have to have them custom made and arrange a way to bolt them to your cross ties or change all your upper cross ties to aluminum and weld it all together. Steel and aluminum are differential metals, can't be welded together and don't even like to touch each other much.

At some point the principal of economic substitution enters the deal; it would cost more to modify and update to new pontoons than the boat would be worth. New steel toons, built, delivered and installed were about 50K through Lake Powell Marine 5 years ago. Who knows now days? I see the old Myacht Rentals, the aluminum 4 bedroom pontoon boats that replaced the Steel Boatels in the rental fleet are for sale at Aramark on Boat Trader. They are listed as in need of some work and updating for under 60k.

So Sadly the most ubiquitous house boat type of the 60's, 70's and 80's are starting to disappear but so are those of us who remember them when they were new 😂
 
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Thanks for the kind words, the old steel Pontoon Boats were cool but sadly they are disappearing, the newest of the type are over 30 years old and every year a few more give way to rust and decay. It's also been getting harder to insure them, many carriers don't offer insurance on steel boats any longer. I imagine that the carriers took too many losses.

Yes, you can have new pontoons built from steel, it's expensive. I've seen some made from Stainless Steel, that boat sits on maybe I Dock at Wahweap? I think it was for sale last year but they have a small fortune in its refit and even though it's very cool it might cost too much. Same way would go for aluminum toons, you'd have to have them custom made and arrange a way to bolt them to your cross ties or change all your upper cross ties to aluminum and weld it all together. Steel and aluminum are differential metals, can't be welded together and don't even like to touch each other much.

At some point the principal of economic substitution enters the deal; it would cost more to modify and update to new pontoons than the boat would be worth. New steel toons, built, delivered and installed were about 50K through Lake Powell Marine 5 years ago. Who knows now days? I see the old Myacht Rentals, the aluminum 4 bedroom pontoon boats that replaced the Steel Boatels in the rental fleet as for sale at Aramark on Boat Trader. They are listed as in need of some work and updating for under 60k.

So Sadly the most ubiquitous house boat type of the 60's, 70's and 80's are starting to disappear but so are those of us who remember them when they were new 😂
Thank you for taking the time to 'pen' that!

Yup, was thinking: is it feasible that aluminum could be retrofitted/mated with the steel frame....and obviously folks with more knowledge have pondered this....and decided against it.

As boaters, we all look at what you accurately phrased 'the principle of economic substitution'...like: do I replace the outdrive that Escalante rock took off?? :unsure:

I find it informative to hear other's experience and get their opinions.

One more thing about 'economic substitution'......I was substituted several times by girlfriends who saw that the 'boat' got more $$ than they did.....

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What kind of pontoon boat is that? It looks nice! Looks like you get a lot of use out if it. Is that pop up on top a factory thing or did you modify it? And as for flex seal goes it might get you through a weekend if you could get it to cure under water. If you own an old steel pontoon you need to know all the tricks and have back up plans and parts. They are great boats for a hard bottomed lake like Powell.
The pop up , basicly I bought an old pop up for $350 took it home thru every thing out but the up and down mechinisium beds and canvas. I build the base and roof all out of aluminum and a toilet sink swamp cooler etc. it was a great winter project
 
Any thing that gets you home as a Temporary repair even if it's that whacky "As Seen on TV" stuff could work. I'd just be careful when it comes to a boat.































































































































































































































































I sure don't mean to suggest that there is any substitute for doing things right and making solid permanent repairs in talking about old steel pontoons. I'm blessed to spend a good amount of time on my boats around Powell every year and I used to fly airplanes as a hobby. Piloting a boat or an airplane around is very different than say driving a car.































































































































































































































































If you made a temporary improvised DIY repair on your car and it fails you can usually just pull over and walk away. On the water or in the air there is no solid ground underneath you to walk away on and you can have a real problem on your hands. It is important to carefully maintain your boat and to make solid temporary fixes that get you home on the lake only in emergencies. Just make sure to follow through with proper repairs as soon as possible. Sinking your boat or ending up adrift in a monsoon is not acceptable. Just Say'n































Marina Bum, you (as usual) bring up a good point....































































Are there examples of steel toons being replaced with aluminum ones?































































Would it be cost effective? My car restoration buddies love putting in new disk brakes, suspension, etc on old car bods.....































































 
The pop up , basicly I bought an old pop up for $350 took it home thru every thing out but the up and down mechinisium beds and canvas. I build the base and roof all out of aluminum and a toilet sink swamp cooler etc. it was a great winter project
That's cool, I had an old Three Buoys 42 foot cathedral hull boat with a little cuddy bedroom up top. You got there from a ladder in the hallway. There wasn't much airflow and it only held a double bet. The roof top pop up would have a lot more room and airflow. Does it still fold up?
 
We had some friends who had a Boatel that had a storage compartment built into one of the pontoons which was accessible from a hatch in the back deck. They had a bilge pump put into it because it was not exactly water tight and the rainwater ran off the top deck and seeped into the compartment at times. It was a manual thing to check the hatch and turn on the pump. Eventually they fashioned a gutter to direct the rainwater off the top deck into the lake and not onto their back deck.

If you can't fit a hose thru the opening in the top of the pontoon, you can use a string weighted down with a metal nut and water detecting paste. Gasoila makes such a paste to detect water in gas storage tanks. The paste turns yellow-green if it comes in contact with water.
 
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