Voting rights of Native Americans
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Lake Bum
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I never trust anything that is from the New York Times......and this article's theme supports that lack of trust. RE-drawing county voting lines, to target a specific vote, or party line is dirty work. If my memory serves me correct, that is how Colorado ended up being so blue, because of the two largest cities re-structured their voting lines. At any rate........stacking the voting deck, according to population, is DIRTY.
forrest_viv
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That's because you watch/read conservative biased media and cry "fake news" from any other sources. Republicans redistrict all the time to their benefit. But when it happens to be blue, it is DIRTY? Give me a break.
Goblin
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It's called gerrymandering and it is reprehensible when it is done by anyone. It is always couched by either side as a way to be more FAIR. Remember the road to hell and all that......
Do a little research and you'll find that the left is far more adept at gerrymandering than the right but that is of course not news. It is also NOT news for a lefty to point to another's bad act to deflect blame from their own bad acts.
It is not a defense and it doesn't make it right. Here is an example of an actual gerrymandered district in Maryland:
As for the rest of the drivel. The Paper of Record along with CNN, MSNBC and to only a slightly lesser extent the networks have become little more than a laughingstock to the majority of Americans. Much of it is truly "Fake News." Sorry but that dog won't hunt anymore.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Goblin
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I live in San Juan County Utah and am alarmed at how we've been targeted on many fronts. In 1984 the feds decided our county needed to be split for commissioner votes and THEY did it...we fought it then and lost, keep in mind that the county had nothing to do with how the districts were drawn out then or now. WE prefer one county where ALL residents can vote for ALL commissioners. The scariest part of this is that Blanding is now split into the 3 different districts, the largest community in our county...will no longer have representation as a community. Living in Mexican Hat we've never had much for representation anyhow, but, I'm now very disturbed that what has in the past been an issue (people who pay no property taxes, real or auto) will become an even bigger issue. How does that work? Our sheriff has no authority on the reservation, yet, they also vote for that office along with the county assessor.
Those who are 'entitled' get to vote on how much they collect now. It's 180 degrees from what our country was founded on. When a man had to have a vested interest before he could vote. (And I say 'he' because our culture, worldwide, didn't support women in politics. Our Constitution never denied us that right...)
Gerrymandering? Yes...by the fed!
Careful...when anyone comes at you saying you haven't been treated fairly, it's usually because they have a plan for you and we all know what that means...don't we???
Those who are 'entitled' get to vote on how much they collect now. It's 180 degrees from what our country was founded on. When a man had to have a vested interest before he could vote. (And I say 'he' because our culture, worldwide, didn't support women in politics. Our Constitution never denied us that right...)
Gerrymandering? Yes...by the fed!
Careful...when anyone comes at you saying you haven't been treated fairly, it's usually because they have a plan for you and we all know what that means...don't we???
I also view anything printed in the anti American, leftist, Ney York Slimes with suspicion, as they mostly lie!
As a victim of gerrymandering, I can testify that most of it is engineered by Democrats! Years ago, most of our county's population was in the Democrat county seat, over 100 miles away. As our end of the county grew, and their end shrank, they managed to gerrymander the county to keep control until towns in our end were split into all 3 districts to dilute our vote. We finally were able to get our voting rights restored by going to court. More recently, the Arizona "Independent" redistricting committee was headed by a Napolitano democrat operative "independent" chair, who gerrymandered Arizona from a Red state to a Purple/almost Blue state, by guaranteeing a couple of previous toss up districts to go Democrat! I live 100 miles east of I 17, but my district is now mostly west to the Colorado river!
As a victim of gerrymandering, I can testify that most of it is engineered by Democrats! Years ago, most of our county's population was in the Democrat county seat, over 100 miles away. As our end of the county grew, and their end shrank, they managed to gerrymander the county to keep control until towns in our end were split into all 3 districts to dilute our vote. We finally were able to get our voting rights restored by going to court. More recently, the Arizona "Independent" redistricting committee was headed by a Napolitano democrat operative "independent" chair, who gerrymandered Arizona from a Red state to a Purple/almost Blue state, by guaranteeing a couple of previous toss up districts to go Democrat! I live 100 miles east of I 17, but my district is now mostly west to the Colorado river!
Goblin
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Good points here. Yes, the vast majority of gerrymandering is from the left.
Opinion follows so if disinterested, tune out now:
Here's why: The Frankfurt School identified that the economic causes that precipitated the Communist Revolution would not work outside of an agrarian society. The strategy was then changed to target 'classes' of people and 'class warfare' became the chosen path to that Marxist/communist/socialist/progressive "utopia."
The more normal Democrats have all but disappeared. In actuality they have mostly become the neoconservatives borne out of the Reagan Democrats. Bad but just not as bad as the far left which is ALL that remains in the Democratic Party. Look at 'Pocahontas' Warren for example since we are on an Indian theme.
Once classes are constructed, grievances real or imagined are supplied to rile up and anger the class. Examples of the classes are everywhere: black, latino, Native American, LGBTQEIEIO, Muslim, with more popping up everyday.
Once the division is accomplished or exacerbated what is needed next is voting power. This is the whole purpose of gerrymandering. Group together members of a class so that the divisive nature of these politics can be amplified at the ballot box. This is all couched with the idea that they are just supplying a voice to the underrepresented. This stated purpose is merely a smoke screen.
The real purpose is DIVISION! Divide the country in order to effect radical change.
Class warfare and identity politics are, at their very core, evil and destructive. The hope of proponents of this ideology is that a fair utopian society will rise from the ashes of this society much like the Phoenix. It's never worked and never will. Just remember that the most costly phrase in history monetarily and in blood is the phrase,
"This time it's different!"
Did not the eight years of Obama teach us anything?
End opinion
It is impossible to unify a country when your goal is to divide it,
FWIW,
Goblin
Opinion follows so if disinterested, tune out now:
Here's why: The Frankfurt School identified that the economic causes that precipitated the Communist Revolution would not work outside of an agrarian society. The strategy was then changed to target 'classes' of people and 'class warfare' became the chosen path to that Marxist/communist/socialist/progressive "utopia."
The more normal Democrats have all but disappeared. In actuality they have mostly become the neoconservatives borne out of the Reagan Democrats. Bad but just not as bad as the far left which is ALL that remains in the Democratic Party. Look at 'Pocahontas' Warren for example since we are on an Indian theme.
Once classes are constructed, grievances real or imagined are supplied to rile up and anger the class. Examples of the classes are everywhere: black, latino, Native American, LGBTQEIEIO, Muslim, with more popping up everyday.
Once the division is accomplished or exacerbated what is needed next is voting power. This is the whole purpose of gerrymandering. Group together members of a class so that the divisive nature of these politics can be amplified at the ballot box. This is all couched with the idea that they are just supplying a voice to the underrepresented. This stated purpose is merely a smoke screen.
The real purpose is DIVISION! Divide the country in order to effect radical change.
Class warfare and identity politics are, at their very core, evil and destructive. The hope of proponents of this ideology is that a fair utopian society will rise from the ashes of this society much like the Phoenix. It's never worked and never will. Just remember that the most costly phrase in history monetarily and in blood is the phrase,
"This time it's different!"
Did not the eight years of Obama teach us anything?
End opinion
It is impossible to unify a country when your goal is to divide it,
FWIW,
Goblin
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forrest_viv
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Blah blah blah
Goblin
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Well said and also speaking well above your education level. You must have been burning the midnight oil studying. Congrats!
For those not so articulate as you, let me dumb down your statement by translating for all of us Deplorables:
"Blah blah blah" = "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."
Glad I could be of assistance. Here is another tip: Remember that on the form GED is spelled G - E - D otherwise you could end up with a P - H -D just due to an honest misspelling and I don't believe you have enough 'blahs' in you to carry that title.
Out of curiosity, what is a forrest_tv?
All in good fun right?
Goblin
Goblin
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OK, I just read my last post and I want to say sorry to forrest_viv. I actually meant the post to be complementary but I misspoke.
Allow me to try again. What I meant to say was:
forrest_viv that was a great post for you.
You said: "Blah blah blah" and I was expecting "Duh duh duh." That is over 33% more articulate than I would have guessed.
So, please accept my apology and also my heartfelt congratulations.
Goblin
PS: disregard the question, cleaned my glasses and now see it is not "tv" but rather "viv" as in "Vivian"
Allow me to try again. What I meant to say was:
forrest_viv that was a great post for you.
You said: "Blah blah blah" and I was expecting "Duh duh duh." That is over 33% more articulate than I would have guessed.
So, please accept my apology and also my heartfelt congratulations.
Goblin
PS: disregard the question, cleaned my glasses and now see it is not "tv" but rather "viv" as in "Vivian"
John P Funk
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I have several friends who live in San Juan County, and feel for their struggles. Due to their preponderance of federal, and tribal lands the individual private landowner gets to pay for all services in the county, some of which have little benefit to the taxpayer. I live just across the border in Colorado where our own county is made up of approximately 75% federal lands(BLM, and Forest Service), we receive PILT(Payment In Lieu of Taxes) payments from the Feds(I assume San Juan County does as well), but these payments are not enough to sustain all county services to outlying areas. The problem with the Feds or outsiders making decisions about an area that they've never visited(such as the Bears Ears designation), is that they just lack information based in reality. Obviously the Democrats don't require actual information to make decisions, only an emotional sense of "right and wrong". This really isn't the best way to legislate, but it works pretty well for getting votes(unfortunately).
That was how they managed to take away the seat the JD Hayworth held in AZ. Re drew the lines to include the university in Tempe - this led to the Democrat winning by a thin margin. This is also how Democrats took over California - and look at the mess that has created. I am not pleased the people who voted for them are swarming out to the neighboring states taking their voting patterns with them.
By your comment I take it that you never consume anything from sources other than liberal publications? It might surprise you to know that as a rule we conservatives take in information from a great many sources, including liberal publications - as a result we are more able to make intelligent decisions about our votes.
Lake Bum
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Wow.........you put me in your shiny little "conservative box" there really quick didn't ya!? Newsflash: There is VERY little news on at my place anymore, because they are ALL liars, and agenda based. Every single network, regardless of which party.
And I stand by my statement, stacking the deck, according to population is DIRTY. It is dirty, regardless of which color that deck is
That is the district I used to be in. The Dems redrew it to include all the reservations and the Peoples Republic of Tempe. It still includes the Democrat south Gila County, but the Republican north county is the tiny tip of a triangle that goes all the way to the Colorado river. At least we got Gosar.
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