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Mussel inspection question

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Kurt Douglas

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I know this topic has been discussed at length but I had a conversation with a Officer for DOW about dry time for my boat. It was a 20 minute conversation that came down to this officer telling me that ANY boat that has a live well is considered a complex boat and therefor had to either be decontaminated or dry for 30 days, no matter when the boat came out, whether it came out in August, November or February. I don't use my live wells for fish but for tackle storage. He said it didn't matter. Since they can't see the hoses going to the live well, it needed to be decon or wait 30 days. I said, "so basically the dry time that we are told at the ramp AND on the test we all took means absolutely nothing?" He said "thats right." Maybe I have missed something since the arrival of the mussels but I have never been told it needed deconed, just dry time. I last came off the lake on May 26. My 18 days will be up Sunday but according to him I can't go on any lake until the 23rd of June. We had quite the discussion. I told him I would bet a paycheck that I could go to any other lake in Utah after my 18 days and would be just fine. No takers on the bet. If I am wrong, someone please help me to understand. He told me to just plug the live well from outside and I would be fine. I did that earlier and was told by the agent it was illegal to drive with anything plugged. Again, I don't think the right hand knows what the left is doing.

Sorry for the rant. I told the officer I would get clarification from those that know, you wordlings.
Thanks in advance.
 
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4LOJO

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SUMMER 7 days
FALL -SPRING 18 DAYS
WINTER 30 DAYS
Clement Wasicek cell #435-592-9723
AIS Interdiction Specialist
Wahweap Marina
This is how I understand it if you contact Clement and he says different please post I don't want to spread the darn things either. The live well should be drained like the out drive no difference.
 
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Meatwagon

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Sounds strange to me, I think maybe his supervisor should have been asked. Where was this at? I'm pretty sure that the livewell hoses are self draining, same as your outboard engine when lowered. At least on a bass boat.
 
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Kurt Douglas

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I was thinking the same thing as both of you. When I called the Vernal DOW office the first lady didn't know so she gave the person in charge of the inspections for her office. His name is Jordan. According to him the dry time means nothing if you have a complex boat. He defined that as anything that holds water, live well included. Either decon it or wait 30 days. I assured him that NONE of the people working on the stations, anywhere on the lakes I have been at, everything around the Vernal area are saying that. They all say what 4LOJO said. And to think those of you in Utah and the out-of-staters licenses go to pay these people
 

svivian

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I was thinking the same thing as both of you. When I called the Vernal DOW office the first lady didn't know so she gave the person in charge of the inspections for her office. His name is Jordan. According to him the dry time means nothing if you have a complex boat. He defined that as anything that holds water, live well included. Either decon it or wait 30 days. I assured him that NONE of the people working on the stations, anywhere on the lakes I have been at, everything around the Vernal area are saying that. They all say what 4LOJO said. And to think those of you in Utah and the out-of-staters licenses go to pay these people
This is exactly why I get miffed about the $20 AIS that Utah has started. To be clear I have no problems paying when it is being implemented and enforced by the state. I do think it is an important problem to stay on top of and does require these funds to have the equipment and staff to combat the problem. What I don't like is paying for something that no one who is of authority knows about nor is enforcing. I was finally asked to show my proof of payment over memorial weekend at the checkpoint coming out of powell. Prior to that I had boated in Utah 13 times since July of 2020 when it began and not a single office knew or enforced the AIS course. Also how many times have any of you left powell with a half hearted inspection where they are not even looking or checking important areas for mussels? They really need to sit down everyone who is enforcing this and get them on the same page and understand what they are charging people for IMO.
 

Meatwagon

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It sounds like Jordan didn't know or understand what a live well is. Unlike a ballast tank or freshwater, raw water tank a live well can be opened and visually inspected which they always do every time I've been there. I will add that they've always been thorough as well.
 

john

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The NPS up here in Weber County have been telling me that for years now.
Complex boats are 30 days Dry time or Decon no matter what, even though their online test says differently.
I was told the test was wrong.

Complex boat= ballast tanks, A/C system, generator, Engine motor (not kidding), live wells, lake water showers.
Anything that pulls water from the lake.

So any boat basically? yup.

Like most situations that can be a potential huge problem, a consistent set of rules and requirements keep most people in line and compliant.
Different rules at every ramp at every lake causes a wee bit of problems and frustration.

Since I know their position now, I just schedule a decon for my cruiser boat right when I come back from Powell and they are happy to do it for me.
 

Kurt Douglas

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Wanted to post an update about the dry time. After Jordan and I talked he promised to call me back after getting clarification. I assumed I would never hear from him again. He proved me wrong. I called Monday and told me his interpretation was wrong and they were using the dry time, so my boat would not need to be deconed, just sit the required dry time. Nice to know that some of the Rangers are human.
 

Havalina

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I just wished that all the states would get on the same sheet of music when it comes to invasive species. Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Colorado are all different. I just drove up to Lake Pend Oreille from Lake Powell after the boat had been dry for over sixty days and had a hot flush at Powell before I left back in early April.

Crossing the border into Idaho, they hot flushed me again at the I-15 check point. I received a new tag on my boat. I hit four check points in Montana and they actually have AIS passports. The first three were fine with Idaho’s and Powell’s decons. The fourth deconed me again, after going through three of their other check points. Then I went through the last check point before the lake at Clark Fork Idaho. They deconed me again and I was told that Idaho doesn’t accept Montana’s decon’s. I pointed out my previous hot flush at the I-15 station. I was told it didn’t matter. He was going to do it again.

By the time I actually launched at Pend Oreille, the front of my boat looked like what I envision the cottonwoods in the back of halls look like. I am all about curbing invasive species, but in my opinion Colorado is the only state that does it correctly. You are inspected coming and going at the lakes there. My point being is that every state has different ideas about how to curb the AIS dilemma. So, I can’t fault the ranger for being confused.
 

4LOJO

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I just wished that all the states would get on the same sheet of music when it comes to invasive species. Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Colorado are all different. I just drove up to Lake Pend Oreille from Lake Powell after the boat had been dry for over sixty days and had a hot flush at Powell before I left back in early April.

Crossing the border into Idaho, they hot flushed me again at the I-15 check point. I received a new tag on my boat. I hit four check points in Montana and they actually have AIS passports. The first three were fine with Idaho’s and Powell’s decons. The fourth deconed me again, after going through three of their other check points. Then I went through the last check point before the lake at Clark Fork Idaho. They deconed me again and I was told that Idaho doesn’t accept Montana’s decon’s. I pointed out my previous hot flush at the I-15 station. I was told it didn’t matter. He was going to do it again.

By the time I actually launched at Pend Oreille, the front of my boat looked like what I envision the cottonwoods in the back of halls look like. I am all about curbing invasive species, but in my opinion Colorado is the only state that does it correctly. You are inspected coming and going at the lakes there. My point being is that every state has different ideas about how to curb the AIS dilemma. So, I can’t fault the ranger for being confused.
Were they being paranoid because of LP or is it sop? I'm jealous beautiful lake you're at have a good trip.
 

Havalina

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Were they being paranoid because of LP or is it sop? I'm jealous beautiful lake you're at have a good trip.
I have no clue, I think that each state or even check point has its own SOP. The lake is one of the most beautiful lakes that I have ever been to. I wish that Wayne would go up there and get their fishery going. A four year old kokanee there is about 12 inches and you can limit every day, but the scenery made up for the poor fishing.
 

Littlesaltwash

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I wonder how many people blow out their coiled up wash down system hoses? I would bet that those hoses would hold water for more than 30 days. since they’re “sealed” pump side and nozzle end there is no place for water to go.
 

Ryan

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Yep. No uniformity between the states. I don’t want the mussels to spread, but I’m also not a fan of paying an ANS/AIS fee in every state I use my boat, especially when most won’t honor what the other state has done.
 

4LOJO

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I wonder how many people blow out their coiled up wash down system hoses? I would bet that those hoses would hold water for more than 30 days. since they’re “sealed” pump side and nozzle end there is no place for water to go.
My current boat doesn't have a wash down but the one I have ordered does. So now you got me thinking is there a way to blow them out and do you have to winterize them would it be like a rv turn a valve and pump anti freeze though the system or just blow it out?
 

Littlesaltwash

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When I got my used boat the wash down system didn’t work. I found that the pump was installed upside down And hadn’t been or didn’t drain. When I repaired the system it still had water in it from over a year Sitting in a shop. I forgot to drain it after a trip last December to Powell but it worked on the first trip in may. (Started spewing water without any indication of priming the 10 foot coiled hose.) I have not had the boat anywhere but Powell but I see that as a glitch in the inspection system. Even those of us who want to do the right thing put places at risk if we are not aware. Rangers have NEVER looked or even asked about that system When I have been inspected.
 

Havalina

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When I got my used boat the wash down system didn’t work. I found that the pump was installed upside down And hadn’t been or didn’t drain. When I repaired the system it still had water in it from over a year Sitting in a shop. I forgot to drain it after a trip last December to Powell but it worked on the first trip in may. (Started spewing water without any indication of priming the 10 foot coiled hose.) I have not had the boat anywhere but Powell but I see that as a glitch in the inspection system. Even those of us who want to do the right thing put places at risk if we are not aware. Rangers have NEVER looked or even asked about that system When I have been inspected.
I actually run it and my bilge pumps dry once I am back at the camp ground.
 
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