stickbow shooter
Well-Known Member
Drove by the fish cleaning station at Wahweep yesterday looked like it was closed.. maybe winterised?
Fish cleaning station
- Thread starter stickbow shooter
- Start date
Jim Sargent
Well-Known Member
Sign says closed for repairs. Frustrating.
I have never used the fish cleaning station but it appears to be dis-functional ALOT.
Instead of fixing it again and again and again, and understanding that budgets may never be allocated for a complete redesign, it may be an easier path to self fund or beat the drum to get some corp sponsors to name the facility in exchange for rebuilding it. If I was a fishing line group or a pole group, or a reel group or a sonar group I would consider the exchange as a branding positive move. A sonar group could play it up big time, “without us you would not be here”…
I’m always fishing in the wrong spots. I do not think I need to learn how to fish better, I need to learn how to read a fish finder better. 99% Navionics, 1% hook.
Anyway, there is a pattern here folks, and until you eliminate the root cause, it will continue to fail. I have never used or seen the fish cleaning station but my bet is it is the same components at root source that are causing the failure sequence which forces a shutdown and should force a redesign at this point.
The core components may also be under sized and over used which forces a redesign. It could be a simple design failure like trying to push on the pull door. Pushing harder does not work.
If it is user error then it will will be impossible to educate the user pool or expect common sense to prevail especially if aurantius based.
Anyway, stop trying to fix a broken system - change the system. Get some corp funding or self fund as a group. Rip the old system out and get someone who understands simply fluid dynamics and viscosity to design a new system, or just look at what commercial food processors are using and buy that or copy that. This is a very simply thing, but the first step is understanding… understanding the patterns illustrates imminent failure. The root cause is either bad design, bad components, bad management, or bad directions / user error.
I think we found the problem - bad management. Understanding the NPS is in control must be approached with gentle finesse. You got to get the NPS to buy in and step aside, as they are a huge part of the root cause problem. People do not like to give up control, any control, so you must distract them with something shiny or squeaky and get their buy in making them think the solution is all their idea, and then ask them for guidance, and then do it your way and be done.
Start a crowd funding page and post it here. I’ll drop a $100 on it to get it rolling. Combine every $100 donation with 1 ticket for naming rights, the lucky winner gets to name it.
The last time I offered to start a fund on WW was for Wally lures, Before I knew it the deal was funded by other parties. How did that work out - I would love to buy some just to support the legacy, I will use them as Christmas tree decorations (can’t spell or ordiments).
Reach out to the BLEND-TECH, the smoothy blender builder folks up in Provo. They may offer some engineering ideas. Get the fish parts small, add water to thin out the sample, oversized the output tubes, have high flush injection, have reverse purge with bypass built in for auto purge so it never stays plugged for longer than the timer. If going into a thinner sewer line, add more water and reduce chunk size. Smaller chunks is controlled by more time in the blender or more blades or faster rpm. You may be surprised that a free engineering session may result in a free donated super grinder.
One thing is absolute - the fish cleaning station will be broke again and again and again until the root cause of failure is fixed.
Instead of fixing it again and again and again, and understanding that budgets may never be allocated for a complete redesign, it may be an easier path to self fund or beat the drum to get some corp sponsors to name the facility in exchange for rebuilding it. If I was a fishing line group or a pole group, or a reel group or a sonar group I would consider the exchange as a branding positive move. A sonar group could play it up big time, “without us you would not be here”…
I’m always fishing in the wrong spots. I do not think I need to learn how to fish better, I need to learn how to read a fish finder better. 99% Navionics, 1% hook.
Anyway, there is a pattern here folks, and until you eliminate the root cause, it will continue to fail. I have never used or seen the fish cleaning station but my bet is it is the same components at root source that are causing the failure sequence which forces a shutdown and should force a redesign at this point.
The core components may also be under sized and over used which forces a redesign. It could be a simple design failure like trying to push on the pull door. Pushing harder does not work.
If it is user error then it will will be impossible to educate the user pool or expect common sense to prevail especially if aurantius based.
Anyway, stop trying to fix a broken system - change the system. Get some corp funding or self fund as a group. Rip the old system out and get someone who understands simply fluid dynamics and viscosity to design a new system, or just look at what commercial food processors are using and buy that or copy that. This is a very simply thing, but the first step is understanding… understanding the patterns illustrates imminent failure. The root cause is either bad design, bad components, bad management, or bad directions / user error.
I think we found the problem - bad management. Understanding the NPS is in control must be approached with gentle finesse. You got to get the NPS to buy in and step aside, as they are a huge part of the root cause problem. People do not like to give up control, any control, so you must distract them with something shiny or squeaky and get their buy in making them think the solution is all their idea, and then ask them for guidance, and then do it your way and be done.
Start a crowd funding page and post it here. I’ll drop a $100 on it to get it rolling. Combine every $100 donation with 1 ticket for naming rights, the lucky winner gets to name it.
The last time I offered to start a fund on WW was for Wally lures, Before I knew it the deal was funded by other parties. How did that work out - I would love to buy some just to support the legacy, I will use them as Christmas tree decorations (can’t spell or ordiments).
Reach out to the BLEND-TECH, the smoothy blender builder folks up in Provo. They may offer some engineering ideas. Get the fish parts small, add water to thin out the sample, oversized the output tubes, have high flush injection, have reverse purge with bypass built in for auto purge so it never stays plugged for longer than the timer. If going into a thinner sewer line, add more water and reduce chunk size. Smaller chunks is controlled by more time in the blender or more blades or faster rpm. You may be surprised that a free engineering session may result in a free donated super grinder.
One thing is absolute - the fish cleaning station will be broke again and again and again until the root cause of failure is fixed.
Jim Sargent
Well-Known Member
Normally I clean fish on the boat but it was blowing enough yesterday and we had a good number of fish so I decided to clean on shore.
Meatwagon
Keeper of San Juan Secrets
You can clean fish on the lake, as Jim stated above that can be difficult when the wind kicks up. Also an efficient cleaning station on board most freshwater fishing boat is marginal at best. The fish cleaning station is a very efficient system for cleaning large quantities of fish and I suspect overuse is the cause for ongoing problems and repairs.
You can drive your car 100k miles with reg maintenance, but racing it a1/4 mile at a time is going to require much more repairs and maintenance.
Yes you can, and it chums in the cats
Edward Gerdemann
Well-Known Member
If they rebuild the fish cleaning station I suggest they name it after Wayne. I can't think of someone more fitting!
Ed Gerdemann
Ed Gerdemann
I set up my fish cleaning table when the time comes to clean fish. I keep it in the water ski storage hold and it inserts into a covered hole in the gunnel. I use a 12v Rapala filet knife which make fileting a breeze. I'm usually away from the houseboat a bit and in the shade if the sun is up...on spot lock so I'm not concerned with wind or waves. Chuck
micbarca
Active Member
Amen at least it's not tax payer funded from what I understand. Correct me if I'm wrong
Maverick5207
Well-Known Member
I'm with you. I bought my own fish cleaning station and cordless fillet knife. It's set up on the back of the houseboat but I'm thinking of getting one for the fishing boat. Clean 'em right out of the water practically. Doesn't get fresher than that.
Once you own one, it's tough to go back.
micbarca
Active Member
This is truth, nothing like leaving the stuff in the water for other fish to eat (especially those craydads in the lake) fillet, put on ice and enjoy.
Rivergoer
Escalante-Class Member
According to the latest NPS news release Wahweap Fish Cleaning Station was Winterized Oct 27 (“Closed For Repairs“ is the typical signage for Winterization closure, yes…very confusing but…yeah). Same goes for Bullfrog per news release.
wayneswords.net
NPS News Release: Winter Season Begins at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area
News Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 6, 2023 Contacts: General Park Information: 928-608-6200 Media Inquiries Only: Mary Plumb, [email protected] Winter Season Begins at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area PAGE, Ariz. – Along with the beauty of fall colors, cooler temperatures also...
There have been problems with the sewer line out of the Wahweap that the fish cleaning station drains through going into Page to the sewer plant There is a "Y" the line near the entrance station that has been blocked up with fish guts in previous years when the stripers are running.
Just too many fish being cleaned with not good enough grinders at the station .
Just too many fish being cleaned with not good enough grinders at the station .
I think human misuse is the cause of the breakdowns nine out of ten times. Some people are too lazy to rehit the water pressure/grinder button. Then they just keep stuffing the fish carcasses in the grinder without it on. The grinder trips the breaker when it is finally turned on because it can't start with all the pressure that's up against it. All that crap has to be dug out from under neath to clear the grinder.
stickbow shooter
Well-Known Member
I think it would be a good idea to post instructions on the proper way to use the grinder. Was there one time and one side was completely plugged up. I took an oar and pushed the fish down an unplugged the grinder
Good luck. People are too lazy to read instructions. Much less push a button.
Just to add The "Y" in the line is where the sewer line from Greenhaven drops into the line that eventually goes across the bridge to the sewer plant behind Wally World
Greenhaven got blamed for the stoppage one year until they opened it up and found all the striper guts!!!!
Maybe we should clean all the fish out on the boat Feed the catfish!!
Greenhaven got blamed for the stoppage one year until they opened it up and found all the striper guts!!!!
Maybe we should clean all the fish out on the boat Feed the catfish!!
Dorado
Keeper of San Juan Secrets
I am kind of surprised the ground up fish carcasses go to a water treatment facility. That has to be a real load on the system! Much better IMHO to keep those nutrients in LP by tossing the carcass remnants back in the lake. As I remember, the lower half of the lake is classified as oligotrohic, meaning it is nutrient poor and low productivity. Keeping a bit of phosphorus and nitrogen in the lake won’t hurt it!Just to add The "Y" in the line is where the sewer line from Greenhaven drops into the line that eventually goes across the bridge to the sewer plant behind Wally World
Greenhaven got blamed for the stoppage one year until they opened it up and found all the striper guts!!!!
Maybe we should clean all the fish out on the boat Feed the catfish!!
MYam4
Active Member
This thread sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole lol. I was curious about options besides grinding the waste (which seems prone to a lot of maintenance issues) and found an interesting document (rather dated, but good info) on implemented types of cleaning stations. Disposal methods are explained starting on page 8, and it's a pretty good summary. https://www.fs.usda.gov/t-d/pubs/pdfimage/94231208.pdf
I do wonder, however, if any new methods or ways of dealing with the waste have come out since 1994 though.
I do wonder, however, if any new methods or ways of dealing with the waste have come out since 1994 though.