DETAINED by NPS

#44
... I was allegedly assisting in the circle of life ...
What does "assisting" mean?

I think I saw this event at Dangling Rope. I was slacking in my boat just across the dock, enjoying that famous ice cream. What I saw was a middle aged guy sticking a long straw down into the dock grate and fishing spiders out from their safe habitat and then flicking them to the carp. This guy did this no less than 6 times surrounded by an audience of children. Was this you? "Assisting"? More like a live demonstration of sadism. There's a big difference between brushing one spider off its web into the water and purposefully and repeatedly removing them from a place where they are bothering no one and sending them to their deaths - and - getting some sort of sick pleasure from it. "Assisting"? There is no way these spiders would have ever fallen into the water were it not for you.

Does it matter that they were spiders and not some higher order of animal? I think not. It's the principle of it all. After we pass the age of 10, people stop pulling the wings off flies for a reason.

Frankly, I was relieved when the ranger showed up. You mock him now but it seems he may have tried to give you the help you need. Just sayin'.
 

ROSCOELAB

Well-Known Member
#45
What does "assisting" mean?

I think I saw this event at Dangling Rope. I was slacking in my boat just across the dock, enjoying that famous ice cream. What I saw was a middle aged guy sticking a long straw down into the dock grate and fishing spiders out from their safe habitat and then flicking them to the carp. This guy did this no less than 6 times surrounded by an audience of children. Was this you? "Assisting"? More like a live demonstration of sadism. There's a big difference between brushing one spider off its web into the water and purposefully and repeatedly removing them from a place where they are bothering no one and sending them to their deaths - and - getting some sort of sick pleasure from it. "Assisting"? There is no way these spiders would have ever fallen into the water were it not for you.

Does it matter that they were spiders and not some higher order of animal? I think not. It's the principle of it all. After we pass the age of 10, people stop pulling the wings off flies for a reason.

Frankly, I was relieved when the ranger showed up. You mock him now but it seems he may have tried to give you the help you need. Just sayin'.
LMAO second troll shows first troll his head
 

birdsnest

Well-Known Member
#48
I pushed my son into the water at DR, landed in a pool of carp................lucky I am not in prison :)
It may just be a matter of time. The next time you get pulled over and the cop runs your license don't be surprised if he cuffs you. I was reviewing the fbi's most wanted posters and I probably saw you on one of them. And Slickrock, you sure came on strong to expect some kind of welcome. Sadist? Sick pleasure? Facts? I have had to hold my tongue many times on this forum but that doesn't make it closed. My mother taught me" If you don't have something good to say, don't say anything".
 

John P Funk

Well-Known Member
#49
Let's get together at DR for a memorial service for the poor spiders that gave their lives so valiantly. They were just minding their own business, making babies and spreading all over the place, when "POW" here comes some insensitive "fisherman" and destroys the finely balanced ecosystem. Let's try and maintain some perspective, they were spiders. There are so many more things we need to be worried about in this day and age.
 
#51
I worked for the Forest Service for 32 years. We called them Park Nazis. And for good reason. What a bunch of hard wired, no fun people...
 
#52
While I was at Dangling Rope this last week, I was suddenly detained by a very grumpy NPS officer. With hands on hips (if not on his actual gun) he told me I wasn't going anywhere and forced me to walk in front of him to his office and sit down.

My crime? I was allegedly assisting in the circle of life in helping some of the western orb weaver spiders on the dock fall into the water and be consumed by the local crappie population.

After being interrogated and lectured for nearly 30 minutes I was given the option of righting my poor example to my children and explaining to them what I had done was wrong, or I could get a $150 ticket. Naturally, you can imagine which one I chose. The NPS officer

In looking back at this, I'm a little fumed, though. The official charge I was supposedly going to be brought up on was "harassing the wildlife". Not sure if what I was allegedly doing even qualifies for that or what that statute is actually defined as. A member of my party made a good point that they regularly spray for those pests at bullfrog (not sure about dangling rope). Not sure how giving a crappie a meal would be more harassing than systematically wiping out their entire dock population.

Additionally, the NPS officer tried to tell me "chumming is illegal", which I know is. But I WASN'T CHUMMING, though he tried to tell me I was, but then quickly retreated from that argument.

Then he told me that its illegal to feed the carp on the dock. I have been feeding those carp for 30 years and NOBODY has ever said anything about that. I told him that and he pulled out a little sun-faded 8 x 11 poster that was barely visible that said for people not to feed the carp.

Anyway, wanting to get some of the users' input from on here. Me and my party obviously thought this was a laughable experience and chalked it up to an officer who had a bad day and I was on the receiving end.

Any other thoughts?
I'm going up to Dangling Rope today, thanks for the warning! Im retired from law enforcement (police helicopter pilot LAPD) and even to this day, I hate any contact with law enforcement that does not pertain to my safety or the safety of others. Spiders, fish, watch out, here I come. I am sorry that you were detained for such an issue! This official should employ himself in education in safety with positive contacts and with respect for visitors. Badly done NPS.